Both sides want to play ball, you have to take that indifference stance for negotiations. I believe it gets done.

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Look at this bullshit. If this is true just cancel the season. But of course it is not.

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Those "loss" numbers are more likely "missed profit opportunity".

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It was nice to see Artie Moreno gut staff to save a few bucks.

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Well at least it was a difficult decision... They can now tell their utility and landlords they cant pay their bills and it was a difficult decision.

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

This MLB thing is pathetic. Get back to work. Don't kill the golden goose.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Yup. Just like Amazon saying they have paid out over $800 million in overtime pay and raises, without contexting that figure with profits.

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

Time for that rarity of bipartisan Congressional consensus, to revoke MLB's antitrust exemption.

I still think that the TV networks have a stern word with both sides and explain what happens if the RSNs fold because there is no advertising revenue for live events, and ESPN and Fox decide that MLB is an unreliable partner. Guys like Mookie Betts and Kris Bryant have several hundred million reasons each to get a deal done that preserves a shred of their free agent money, and guys like Ian Happ or Leury Garcia haven't made enough to have comfortable retirement money. They need to play. Pitchers, on the other hand, why risk hurting your arm?

And if the Latino Congressmen don't start screaming about minor leaguers coming here and getting the shaft, they have lost their minds. Oh wait, MLBPA doesn't give a shit about minor leaguers, they don't pay dues.

Illinois takes roughly 5% of player salary as income tax. At a conservative estimate of $240M for the combined 25 man rosters playing that day, that is $1.5M/game in salary, or $75k a game in taxes. With no fans. Lori should be having a fit.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

I said that when the Astros were trying to kill the minors and I got yelled at. Of course, now the bat plague did the Astros' work for them.

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You'd tell me to get my head fucked if I tried to get you to work for 30% of out negotiated contract.

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Yep.

Especially after you already agreed to a deal to take less.

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We all want baseball back but you can't give these greedy fucks an inch, they'll take a kilometer.

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Not by me. The AFL, ABA, and WHA all made the surviving leagues stronger.

Let Amazon run a 16 week, 16 team king of the hill tournament at four sites around the US. Offer it free on Prime Video. Best of 3 a week, so you only need 3-4 starters.

MLB is going to kill itself from mutual greed unless competition comes in to give them something to fight against.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

I don't get this mutual greed thing. Players have a contract and MLB doesn't want to honor it.

Just open up the park to fans. They'll come. I'll come. Owners should grow a backbone. Bam. Fixed.

And that was only two months ago. But seems seldom mentioned.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

The contract is only if games are played. MLB could cancel the whole season and the players get $0 and the owners save money.

It's a messed up situation all around but when the MLBPA openly brags about how great it is that they avoided "revenue sharing" then things like this happen. Revenue sharing is good for both sides and would have made this much simpler.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

If owners are saving money by not having a season they should cancel. They said paying zero salaries they would still lose 2 billion this year.

I have a feeling they are lying though.

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Of course.

That's why players asked owners to open the books.

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I think you need to agree to revenue sharing to get that.

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Players should stay firm. Owners can lose a shit ton of money(by canceling the season) or half a shit ton of money by playing. Players also have an ace in the hole as they are taking "health risks". And they will mention it if owners get all propagandist in their portrayal of "selfish" players

I'm not sure it really matters for the owners in MLB. It's reported that 30% of total revenue for MLB comes from ticket sales.

If total revenue was $100 a year.
So, in a half year, it goes down to $50 a year.
It goes down to $35 a year with no fans when you subtract that 30% of ticket sales.
If players were to get $25 of that $35 that leaves $10 of the original $100.
That also doesn't include decreased advertising and RSN fees if that is part of the contract.

The players taking $50 out of every $100 is a lot different than the players taking $25 out of every $35 since the ticket sales are gone.

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The thing is the players would be better off with true revenue sharing and a salary cap and floor. Teams are only spending around 40% of revenue on salaries. Half the league is tanking at any one time. They hold players down as long as possible and then when they reach free agency at 30 or 31, most are told they are too old to sign big deals.

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There will be expanded playoffs with fans. Extra TV money also. Players want their per game money. It's contractual. Owners can make it up in the playoffs.

The players are getting a good amount of money in the playoffs too. There is no guarantee fans will be in the stadiums by the playoffs. The tv deals also may want money back.

The owners aren't going to choose to start the season if they are likely to lose more money than they would by not playing at all. It sucks for the players but it's just how business works. If the players were open to revenue sharing then it is a different discussion.

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so you're saying the owners won't cave?

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

Oh well. Sorry owners. MLBPA has a nice sized strike fund the can use in this situation.

Players have a contract. Abide by it or cancel. Guess what? Owners won't cancel.

I don't think today was a take it or leave it offer but I don't see the owners playing baseball with the original agreement of it just being a prorated salary based on the number of games played.

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Like a shoddily built coal mine