It is currently Fri Nov 22, 2024 6:08 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 1229 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 ... 41  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:59 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:36 pm
Posts: 6715
pizza_Place: Baranabyis
Its just terrible for the game. Really, everything since the advent of replay has been a disaster. It recovered from '94 so I guess it can recover from anything, but man it feels impossible to get enthusiastic about baseball ever again.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68612
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:21 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92037
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
They are playing the long game with the CBA coming up soon .
Isn't it far more likely that the owners are telling the truth for this year that the more games that are played without fans in the stands the more money they lose if the players are paid the same amount of money per game as they would be otherwise?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:23 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68612
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
Terry's Peeps wrote:



_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:26 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 19368
Terry's Peeps wrote:


They would only make about 14% more money playing 76 games then if they played 50 at full prorated salaries.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:27 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92037
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:


They would only make about 14% more money playing 76 games then if they played 50 at full prorated salaries.

Is that a bad thing?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:28 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:19 pm
Posts: 31611
pizza_Place: What??
Terry's Peeps wrote:

Need details on playoff pool money. Because it better make up for the 25% cut in pay.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:29 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68612
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
:lol:


_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:31 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 19368
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
They are playing the long game with the CBA coming up soon .
Isn't it far more likely that the owners are telling the truth for this year that the more games that are played without fans in the stands the more money they lose if the players are paid the same amount of money per game as they would be otherwise?


Prior to this season, which is a mess, salaries had increased 2.1% since new deal went into place. Baseball revenue has went up 14.8%. So yes the owners should take the loss on an agreement they made in March. They haven't shared much in the gains.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:32 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 19368
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:


They would only make about 14% more money playing 76 games then if they played 50 at full prorated salaries.

Is that a bad thing?


Its not worth the extra month for 14 cents on the dollar.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:33 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92037
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
They are playing the long game with the CBA coming up soon .
Isn't it far more likely that the owners are telling the truth for this year that the more games that are played without fans in the stands the more money they lose if the players are paid the same amount of money per game as they would be otherwise?


Prior to this season, which is a mess, salaries had increased 2.1% since new deal went into place. Baseball revenue has went up 14.8%. So yes the owners should take the loss on an agreement they made in March. They haven't shared much in the gains.

If only there was a way to guarantee revenues were shared if they went up.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:34 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92037
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:


They would only make about 14% more money playing 76 games then if they played 50 at full prorated salaries.

Is that a bad thing?


Its not worth the extra month for 14 cents on the dollar.

Why not then just accept the 50 games plan then?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:34 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:46 pm
Posts: 10103
pizza_Place: Q's Hillside
I've pretty much had it. I'm about to ask mlb.tv for my money back, and to complain to my credit card company after that. I was looking forward to seeing lot of live minor league baseball, and that is crushed. I don't care who wins a 50 game season, at least not now.

I'm ready for the Cubs to break the team up and rebuild around Baez, Hendricks, and an aging Rizzo, and hopefully the Sox young players don't stall out from the delay in their professional growth.

_________________
"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:41 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:19 pm
Posts: 31611
pizza_Place: What??
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
They are playing the long game with the CBA coming up soon .
Isn't it far more likely that the owners are telling the truth for this year that the more games that are played without fans in the stands the more money they lose if the players are paid the same amount of money per game as they would be otherwise?


Prior to this season, which is a mess, salaries had increased 2.1% since new deal went into place. Baseball revenue has went up 14.8%. So yes the owners should take the loss on an agreement they made in March. They haven't shared much in the gains.

If only there was a way to guarantee revenues were shared if they went up.

14.8%? Says who? Were the books opened and nobody told me?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:42 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 102657
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Yes. Opening Day around July 4th
Called it back in April. They will get something done.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's more fun to be a victim
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:43 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 19368
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Why not then just accept the 50 games plan then?


A 50 game schedule can be imposed on them. Why haven't the owners told Manfred to impose that yet?

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:46 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92037
Location: To the left of my post
Nardi wrote:
14.8%? Says who? Were the books opened and nobody told me?
The books get opened when there is revenue sharing.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:47 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:22 am
Posts: 15141
pizza_Place: Wha Happen?
312player wrote:
I remember hearing a national host a few years ago talk about an accountant from Stanford who got a glimpse at some MLB teams books. He basically said he couldn't do an accurate account with so much missing information. I heard the Braves " lost" 25 million last season, I'm not buying any of it.

The Braves specifically are traded publicly. So that info is out there.

I think some teams are very leveraged towards needing fans. They are motivated to not have a season or delay until they have fans. I believe the Cubs are one of those teams.

_________________
Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:47 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92037
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Why not then just accept the 50 games plan then?


A 50 game schedule can be imposed on them. Why haven't the owners told Manfred to impose that yet?
Because they would rather have more games at a prorated salary.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:48 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 19368
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
They are playing the long game with the CBA coming up soon .
Isn't it far more likely that the owners are telling the truth for this year that the more games that are played without fans in the stands the more money they lose if the players are paid the same amount of money per game as they would be otherwise?


Prior to this season, which is a mess, salaries had increased 2.1% since new deal went into place. Baseball revenue has went up 14.8%. So yes the owners should take the loss on an agreement they made in March. They haven't shared much in the gains.

If only there was a way to guarantee revenues were shared if they went up.



I agree MLB should have a salary cap and floor. They already have a defacto cap. The players would have to make sure owners like Ricketts could not hide a large portion of their revenue in businesses tied to the Cubs around Wrigley.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:49 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68612
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
conns7901 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Why not then just accept the 50 games plan then?


A 50 game schedule can be imposed on them. Why haven't the owners told Manfred to impose that yet?


They're going to soon. This is a last ditch face-saving attempt.

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:57 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:19 pm
Posts: 31611
pizza_Place: What??
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nardi wrote:
14.8%? Says who? Were the books opened and nobody told me?
The books get opened when there is revenue sharing.

That's for another time and another place. At this time and place, all we have is are the owner's word about the bath they are taking. All we have is their word that revenues were 14.8%. Or someone's rough estimate.


Last edited by Nardi on Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:01 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:00 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 19368
Also, is Jon Heyman paid directly by the owners for his tweets?

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:01 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 19368
Nardi wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nardi wrote:
14.8%? Says who? Were the books opened and nobody told me?
The books get opened when there is revenue sharing.

That's for another time and another place. At this time and place, all we have is are the owner's word about the bath they are taking. All we have is their word that revenues were 14.8%.


It is an educated guess. Probably much more.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/193 ... s-in-2010/

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92037
Location: To the left of my post
Nardi wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nardi wrote:
14.8%? Says who? Were the books opened and nobody told me?
The books get opened when there is revenue sharing.

That's for another time and another place. At this time and place, all we have is are the owner's word about the bath they are taking. All we have is their word that revenues were 14.8%. Or someone's rough estimate.

The owners seem pretty desperate to not play more games than they have to with 100 percent prorated salaries if fans aren't in the stands.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:33 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:19 pm
Posts: 31611
pizza_Place: What??
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nardi wrote:
14.8%? Says who? Were the books opened and nobody told me?
The books get opened when there is revenue sharing.

That's for another time and another place. At this time and place, all we have is are the owner's word about the bath they are taking. All we have is their word that revenues were 14.8%. Or someone's rough estimate.

The owners seem pretty desperate to not play more games than they have to with 100 percent prorated salaries if fans aren't in the stands.

Yeah, they seem desperate. I'm sure the are tossing and turning at night wondering if they can put a meal on the table.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:13 am
Posts: 17583
Location: BLM Lake Forest Chapter
pizza_Place: Quonset

_________________
Don Tiny wrote:
Don't be such a fucking chump.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:22 pm
Posts: 24550
pizza_Place: It's gone
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
I've pretty much had it. I'm about to ask mlb.tv for my money back, and to complain to my credit card company after that. I was looking forward to seeing lot of live minor league baseball, and that is crushed. I don't care who wins a 50 game season, at least not now.

I'm ready for the Cubs to break the team up and rebuild around Baez, Hendricks, and an aging Rizzo, and hopefully the Sox young players don't stall out from the delay in their professional growth.


seriously fuck this game and these assholes.

just break up mlb. let someone start a new baseball league with 8 to 10 cities. fuck all this.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:10 pm
Posts: 38609
Location: "Across 110th Street"
There's a new special on the great Vin Scully on MLB Network now.

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:19 pm
Posts: 31611
pizza_Place: What??
Quote:
4:24pm: A variety of other notable details of the new proposal have now emerged. Initial reactions from the players’ side to the latest draft agreement seem less than favorable. The league has communicated its view that the sides “need to reach an agreement by Wednesday” in order to prepare for a 76-game campaign.

Players would be guaranteed half of their prorated salaries, per Ronald Blum of the Associated Press. If the postseason goes off without a hitch, the players would collectively stand to earn 75% of the prorated portion of their original salary guarantees.


Looks like Hello, 50 game season.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 1229 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 ... 41  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group