I mean if you want to say adding an innings eating .500 pitcher in exchange for what most people were saying was a cant miss prospect made sense thats on you.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Dorks

I’m not trying to split hairs here. But you’re evaluating the move based on the results. And hey, that is completely fair. The trade failed based on the results and it’s a results oriented business. So, your point of view is not wrong.

But, at the time, in 2017 Theo was adding a proven number 2-3 starter to a rotation that included the reigning ERA winner (Hendricks), Arietta, Lester and an offense that hadn’t yet revealed itself as being incompetent.

The move made sense at the time is all I’m saying. Shit, if the We knew the cubs offense was going to be DOA in the post season for years to come, adding Johnson and Schilling circa 2002 wouldn’t have made sense haha

That photo reminds me of a forced march I was taken on during a cold day at Spottswoode.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

You don't trade your top pitching and offensive prospects for a 3rd starter.

You know just how bad a trade it was when mild-mannered Cub fan Matt is raging against it.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

This is pretty much ridculous. But, Theo? What actually playing the game experience does he or Hahn have. Waterboys at Yale, and Harvard?

Q isn't even a 3rd starter quality with the Cubs. 3.51 era with Sox, 4.24 with Cubs. His 33-23 record with the Cubs is highly deceiving.

I'm shocked that Jules has not outright taken credit for this hiring or at least likened herself to Ng yet. I also see that HawaiiKeepingScore approves of the hiring.

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Are you the weatherman caller?

he worked for Les.

That explains a lot

The move didn't make sense, we weren't a 4th starter away from a ring.. The only real debate was whether Q was a 3rd or 4th starter..he was never an ace or a #2.

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Agree to disagree ya’ll. Doesn’t matter now. CUbs are fucked til 2025 most likely

The Sox subdivision tried to warn me. But that 1st start against Baltimore had me starry eyed. What a fucking joke of a trade.

Kim Ng Un has serious mult potential, you dumbies.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

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I agree with Crick on this.

Also, the year of the trade he was starting to fade a little, but before that he was most definitely pitching at a #2 level. Four straight years of 200+ innings with an ERA around three and advanced stats that indicated he was pitching even better than that. On top of that, he was getting better each year.

He was also signed to an incredibly team favorable contract, which made him one of the most highly valued players in baseball. His contract allowed the Cubs to sign a host of other players. Unfortunately both Q and all those other players were bad once they got tot he Cubs.

Cease AND Jimenez seemed like an overpay. I'm not so sure it is any more. Jimenez will be a star. There is as good of a chance right now that Cease will be nothing as a pitcher as he will be a regular MLB starter

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And men have lost their reason.

Yep.

Cease, as well as any other high skilled prospect pitcher, has to develop command. And that's hard.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

Pronounced "ANG"

had to look that up

geez what a terrible story. That douche who did this to her reminds me of ....... xxxxxx xxx.

Rogue pronounces it differently.

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