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I don't know how anybody that watches Hill and Winston throw a football could start Hill over Winston.

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I don't know how anybody that watches Hill and Winston throw a football could start Hill over Winston.

You have to watch the ball land as well. That’s where jameis tends to fall off a bit.

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I don't know how anybody that watches Hill and Winston throw a football could start Hill over Winston.


A person that sees Winston throw it to the other team 50% of the time?


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I don't know how anybody that watches Hill and Winston throw a football could start Hill over Winston.

You have to watch the ball land as well. That’s where jameis tends to fall off a bit.


You got Thomas downfield and Hill can't get him the ball, Winston can. Im not saying Winston is great..hes average, not the average that FF and Rick use to describe Mitch..real average, the 15th or 16th best QB in the league..Hill is maybe 28th.

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I don't know how anybody that watches Hill and Winston throw a football could start Hill over Winston.
I don't know how anybody that watches Foles and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky throw a football could start Foles over (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, but it happened.

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I don't know how anybody that watches Hill and Winston throw a football could start Hill over Winston.

You have to watch the ball land as well. That’s where jameis tends to fall off a bit.


You got Thomas downfield and Hill can't get him the ball, Winston can. Im not saying Winston is great..hes average, not the average that FF and Rick use to describe Mitch..real average, the 15th or 16th best QB in the league..Hill is maybe 28th.

Mormon Tebow is trash, but he probably doesn’t directly lose you games the same way Jameis will.

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Pagano is 100% gone, I'm surprised it's not announced already, unless canning Nagy and the entire staff is on the table. Mack is 26 million in dead money next year, so you better troll the ranks to find some 3-4 defensive whiz to figure out how to make this guy somewhat appear in the stat sheet next year. I was really hoping Fangio would be out in Denver so we could get a reunion, but for someone unknown reason, he will suffer 1 more year as a head coach before he can return to his natural role as a defensive coordinator (Peter Principle).


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The cap is coming down, probaby 5-10% .. I don't see A.R. here.

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There's a $10M dead cap hit by releasing Graham and Leno, but the net is $10M and most of that comes from Graham. A $3M net savings over the next 2 years may not be enough to cut Leno unless you definitely have a better replacement.

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They can free up cap space (5 million) by cutting Massie, which is a formality. Trevathan is 13 million in dead money against the cap next year..for a second I thought it was fallout from the deal we lured him here from Denver on, but no, that bad contract was given out THIS offseason by Pace. He just can't remain the GM of this team anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: 2021 Offseason Moves
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Nas wrote:
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The cap is coming down, probaby 5-10% .. I don't see A.R. here.

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Leno
Graham


There's a $10M dead cap hit by releasing Graham and Leno, but the net is $10M and most of that comes from Graham. A $3M net savings over the next 2 years may not be enough to cut Leno unless you definitely have a better replacement.


Keep him as a backup tackle or guard then, He can't start.

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 Offseason Moves
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Interestingly enough, sacks really seemed down across the board in the NFL this year

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_ ... s/dir/desc

No 19-20 sack seasons like we have had in the past, I wonder how much of this is mobile QB's and game plans to "avoid the sack". Are the days of paying 20+ million to an elite rusher a thing of the past?


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 Post subject: Re: 2021 Offseason Moves
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312player wrote:
Nas wrote:
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The cap is coming down, probaby 5-10% .. I don't see A.R. here.

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Mitch
Leno
Graham


There's a $10M dead cap hit by releasing Graham and Leno, but the net is $10M and most of that comes from Graham. A $3M net savings over the next 2 years may not be enough to cut Leno unless you definitely have a better replacement.


Keep him as a backup tackle or guard then, He can't start.


Most of the bad money is on defense. The production from Quinn and Mack this year was criminal. Floyd had more sacks than both combined. Eddie Jackson has mostly sucked since 2018 and he just got new money that makes him one of the highest paid safties in football.

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Interestingly enough, sacks really seemed down across the board in the NFL this year

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_ ... s/dir/desc

No 19-20 sack seasons like we have had in the past, I wonder how much of this is mobile QB's and game plans to "avoid the sack". Are the days of paying 20+ million to an elite rusher a thing of the past?


Refs weren't calling holding, that's why you needed to blitz more to get to the QB.

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 Offseason Moves
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Nas wrote:
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The cap is coming down, probaby 5-10% .. I don't see A.R. here.

Gone-
Mitch
Leno
Graham


There's a $10M dead cap hit by releasing Graham and Leno, but the net is $10M and most of that comes from Graham. A $3M net savings over the next 2 years may not be enough to cut Leno unless you definitely have a better replacement.


Keep him as a backup tackle or guard then, He can't start.


Most of the bad money is on defense. The production from Quinn and Mack this year was criminal. Floyd had more sacks than both combined. Eddie Jackson has mostly sucked since 2018 and he just got new money that makes him one of the highest paid safties in football.


Theres not much we can do about cutting bad money on D, were kinda stuck with this unit for another year..maybe 2.

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 Offseason Moves
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312player wrote:
Gene & Jude's wrote:
Interestingly enough, sacks really seemed down across the board in the NFL this year

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_ ... s/dir/desc

No 19-20 sack seasons like we have had in the past, I wonder how much of this is mobile QB's and game plans to "avoid the sack". Are the days of paying 20+ million to an elite rusher a thing of the past?


Refs weren't calling holding, that's why you needed to blitz more to get to the QB.


I really want to poach the Ravens DC. No huge names on that defense, they just get it done.


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Gene & Jude's wrote:
Interestingly enough, sacks really seemed down across the board in the NFL this year

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_ ... s/dir/desc

No 19-20 sack seasons like we have had in the past, I wonder how much of this is mobile QB's and game plans to "avoid the sack". Are the days of paying 20+ million to an elite rusher a thing of the past?


Refs weren't calling holding, that's why you needed to blitz more to get to the QB.


I really want to poach the Ravens DC. No huge names on that defense, they just get it done.


They get mean hard hitting MFers.

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I don't know how anybody that watches Hill and Winston throw a football could start Hill over Winston.

You have to watch the ball land as well. That’s where jameis tends to fall off a bit.


You got Thomas downfield and Hill can't get him the ball, Winston can. Im not saying Winston is great..hes average, not the average that FF and Rick use to describe Mitch..real average, the 15th or 16th best QB in the league..Hill is maybe 28th.

Winston is terrible. He’s not a top 32 QB.

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I don't know how anybody that watches Hill and Winston throw a football could start Hill over Winston.

You have to watch the ball land as well. That’s where jameis tends to fall off a bit.


You got Thomas downfield and Hill can't get him the ball, Winston can. Im not saying Winston is great..hes average, not the average that FF and Rick use to describe Mitch..real average, the 15th or 16th best QB in the league..Hill is maybe 28th.

Winston is terrible. He’s not a top 32 QB.



I think you're gonna be surprised when he gets another shot..hes decent. That dipshit Arians had him chucking deep every play.

I gotta get you on record, give me a ranking of these QBs.

Josh Allen
Kirk Cousins
Teddy Bridgewater
Lamar Jackson
Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky
Justin Herbert
Klyer Murray
Jared Goff

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Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Justin Herbert
Klyer Murray
Kirk Cousins
Jared Goff
Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky
Teddy Bridgewater

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I'd flip Jackson and Murray but agree on the rest.

And the Bears are screwed next year, no matter who they do or don't fire.


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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Justin Herbert
Klyer Murray
Kirk Cousins
Jared Goff
Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky
Teddy Bridgewater



Okay.. Now

Rivers
Brees
Brady
Carr
Wilson
Burrow
Darnold
Watson
Mahomes
Rogers
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Mitch

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312player wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Justin Herbert
Klyer Murray
Kirk Cousins
Jared Goff
Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky
Teddy Bridgewater





Okay.. Now

Rivers
Brees
Brady
Carr
Wilson
Burrow
Darnold
Watson
Mahomes
Rogers
Stafford
Mitch



What the fuck with this homework shit.

Mahomes
Rodgers
Brees
Brady
Russ
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Stafford
Burrow
Rivers
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Mitch
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I don't know how anybody that watches Hill and Winston throw a football could start Hill over Winston.

You have to watch the ball land as well. That’s where jameis tends to fall off a bit.


You got Thomas downfield and Hill can't get him the ball, Winston can. Im not saying Winston is great..hes average, not the average that FF and Rick use to describe Mitch..real average, the 15th or 16th best QB in the league..Hill is maybe 28th.

Winston is terrible. He’s not a top 32 QB.



I think you're gonna be surprised when he gets another shot..hes decent. That dipshit Arians had him chucking deep every play.

I gotta get you on record, give me a ranking of these QBs.

Josh Allen
Kirk Cousins
Teddy Bridgewater
Lamar Jackson
Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky
Justin Herbert
Klyer Murray
Jared Goff


Allen
Jackson
Herbert
Murray
Goff
(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky
Cousins
Bridgewater

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Nas’s list looks about right.

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312player wrote:
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I don't know how anybody that watches Hill and Winston throw a football could start Hill over Winston.

You have to watch the ball land as well. That’s where jameis tends to fall off a bit.


You got Thomas downfield and Hill can't get him the ball, Winston can. Im not saying Winston is great..hes average, not the average that FF and Rick use to describe Mitch..real average, the 15th or 16th best QB in the league..Hill is maybe 28th.

Winston is terrible. He’s not a top 32 QB.



I think you're gonna be surprised when he gets another shot..hes decent. That dipshit Arians had him chucking deep every play.

I gotta get you on record, give me a ranking of these QBs.

Josh Allen
Kirk Cousins
Teddy Bridgewater
Lamar Jackson
Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky
Justin Herbert
Klyer Murray
Jared Goff

In no particular order:
Josh Allen
Teddy Bridgewater
Kirk Cousins
Jared Goff
Justin Herbert
Kyler Murray
Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky

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Nobody in the NFL would put Mitch over Cousins..nobody

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Not sure if there are many attractive trade options on the D other than Fuller, other guys are too old, too expensive, and too nonproductive to move.

Was hoping Fangio would get launched in Denver because it is now obvious that he was one of the main reasons the team had so much success, but Pagano's D started looking a lot like Nagy's O, guys confused and out of position and poor play calling.

If Nagy does survive he has Lazor to thank, the offensive play calling improved dramatically once Nagy was removed from the role, come to think of it not sure what exactly Nagy does well as a head coach?

The team really needs to bring in a head guy to replace Phillips to get a true evaluation of what they currently have in place.


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RAIDERS can easily free up around $50 million for 2021 with no cap hit or dead money.

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