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Jackson is better than Watson.

Might be one day, but not yet.


Jackson won an MVP and he's put up better or comparable numbers WITHOUT a top 2 or 3 WR in the NFL.

All else equal, would you prefer Wilson or Jackson on the Bears?


I'm intrigued by the potential of Jackson, but I would probably take the finished product that is Russell Wilson.

Agreed. I’d have Russ at #2 long term (I’m assuming 37yr old Rodgers is on some emo-PEDs).

I don’t think you can teach Jackson how to throw and that’s always going to limit him.

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I thonk you're crazy..he is a top 6 or 7 QB in the league and barring a serious injury he will remain there.


He's a top 10 to 15 quarterback. Hopkins was a crutch for him and as the year went on he began to learn how to play quarterback without that crutch.


Uh, no fucking way.

Watson had his best statistical season this year after Hopkins was traded, COVID, coach fired, and team totally sucking.

Aside from Mahomes, there isn’t a QB that is a better option over the next decade.


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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Jackson is better than Watson.

Might be one day, but not yet.


Jackson won an MVP and he's put up better or comparable numbers WITHOUT a top 2 or 3 WR in the NFL.

All else equal, would you prefer Wilson or Jackson on the Bears?


I'm intrigued by the potential of Jackson, but I would probably take the finished product that is Russell Wilson.

Agreed. I’d have Russ at #2 long term (I’m assuming 37yr old Rodgers is on some emo-PEDs).

I don’t think you can teach Jackson how to throw and that’s always going to limit him.

I don’t disagree necessarily but a limited Lamar is still a top 6 QB in the league. If he gets just a little better at passing while he’s in his athletic prime it’s over for the rest of the league.

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Lamar is probably the best athlete in the league, If threw on the run when these safeties and corners freeze up when he rolls out he would be so much more deadly. His arm is strong AF.

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Jackson is better than Watson.

Might be one day, but not yet.


Jackson won an MVP and he's put up better or comparable numbers WITHOUT a top 2 or 3 WR in the NFL.

Problem with Jackson is so much of his game depends on him running the ball. How many NFL QB's have a long successful career doing that?

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Jackson is better than Watson.

Might be one day, but not yet.


Jackson won an MVP and he's put up better or comparable numbers WITHOUT a top 2 or 3 WR in the NFL.

Problem with Jackson is so much of his game depends on him running the ball. How many NFL QB's have a long successful career doing that?

Impossible to know. We’ve never seen anybody like Lamar before.

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Vick pretty similar, they didnt use him correctly though.

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 Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson
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Vick pretty similar, they didnt use him correctly though.

Vick is the closest comp obviously but Lamar is a completely different player.

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Watson is a fun quarterback to watch. If I could will him to the Bears would I? Yes 100%. But he's still got the stink of 4 win season. But we can give him a mulligan...no more though...hes pulled the "I get to pick the GM card"..another 4-5 win season and he owns that.


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Watson is a fun quarterback to watch. If I could will him to the Bears would I? Yes 100%. But he's still got the stink of 4 win season. But we can give him a mulligan...no more though...hes pulled the "I get to pick the GM card"..another 4-5 win season and he owns that.

He didn’t get to pick the GM

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Watson is a fun quarterback to watch. If I could will him to the Bears would I? Yes 100%. But he's still got the stink of 4 win season. But we can give him a mulligan...no more though...hes pulled the "I get to pick the GM card"..another 4-5 win season and he owns that.

He didn’t get to pick the GM

Which is why hes pouting


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Watson is a fun quarterback to watch. If I could will him to the Bears would I? Yes 100%. But he's still got the stink of 4 win season. But we can give him a mulligan...no more though...hes pulled the "I get to pick the GM card"..another 4-5 win season and he owns that.

He didn’t get to pick the GM

Which is why hes pouting


He’s not pouting nor asking to pick the GM. He’s rightfully indignant that the Texans are probably the most dysfunctional organization in the NFL. He’s not the only Texan to say so. After Mahomes, Watson is the next QB in line when you are asking which QB will you want under center for the next decade.


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Lamar and Josh Allen would like a word...


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I thonk you're crazy..he is a top 6 or 7 QB in the league and barring a serious injury he will remain there.


He's a top 10 to 15 quarterback. Hopkins was a crutch for him and as the year went on he began to learn how to play quarterback without that crutch.


Uh, no fucking way.

Watson had his best statistical season this year after Hopkins was traded, COVID, coach fired, and team totally sucking.

Aside from Mahomes, there isn’t a QB that is a better option over the next decade.


A lot of stat padding late in games during a 4-12 season.

I would take Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Dak and maybe even Lawrence. I don't think Watson or Murray will last 10 years

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I thonk you're crazy..he is a top 6 or 7 QB in the league and barring a serious injury he will remain there.


He's a top 10 to 15 quarterback. Hopkins was a crutch for him and as the year went on he began to learn how to play quarterback without that crutch.


Uh, no fucking way.

Watson had his best statistical season this year after Hopkins was traded, COVID, coach fired, and team totally sucking.

Aside from Mahomes, there isn’t a QB that is a better option over the next decade.


A lot of stat padding late in games during a 4-12 season.

I would take Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Dak and maybe even Lawrence. I don't think Watson or Murray will last 10 years

Your record on QBs has been stellar.

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 Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson
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I thonk you're crazy..he is a top 6 or 7 QB in the league and barring a serious injury he will remain there.


He's a top 10 to 15 quarterback. Hopkins was a crutch for him and as the year went on he began to learn how to play quarterback without that crutch.


Uh, no fucking way.

Watson had his best statistical season this year after Hopkins was traded, COVID, coach fired, and team totally sucking.

Aside from Mahomes, there isn’t a QB that is a better option over the next decade.


A lot of stat padding late in games during a 4-12 season.

I would take Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Dak and maybe even Lawrence. I don't think Watson or Murray will last 10 years

Your record on QBs has been stellar.


I feel better about my record for quarterbacks not named Grossman or (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Let's not forget that I was on an island when it came to Brady until the last 7 years or so. That's when MANY of you all decided to join me.

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What ya think about ..

Fields
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Nas wrote:
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I thonk you're crazy..he is a top 6 or 7 QB in the league and barring a serious injury he will remain there.


He's a top 10 to 15 quarterback. Hopkins was a crutch for him and as the year went on he began to learn how to play quarterback without that crutch.


Uh, no fucking way.

Watson had his best statistical season this year after Hopkins was traded, COVID, coach fired, and team totally sucking.

Aside from Mahomes, there isn’t a QB that is a better option over the next decade.


A lot of stat padding late in games during a 4-12 season.

I would take Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Dak and maybe even Lawrence. I don't think Watson or Murray will last 10 years

Your record on QBs has been stellar.


I feel better about my record for quarterbacks not named Grossman or (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Let's not forget that I was on an island when it came to Brady until the last 7 years or so. That's when MANY of you all decided to join me.

On an island on Brady? After he had won 3 SBs?

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What ya think about ..

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No clue. Don't really watch college FB.

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What ya think about ..

Fields
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No clue. Don't really watch college FB.



Good thing I do.

No
Yes
No
No
Yes
Yes

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I feel better about my record for quarterbacks not named Grossman or (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Let's not forget that I was on an island when it came to Brady until the last 7 years or so. That's when MANY of you all decided to join me.

On an island on Brady? After he had won 3 SBs?[/quote]

I came to the board believing that Brady was better than Manning and that opinion was mocked until the last 7 years or so.


312player wrote:
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What ya think about ..

Fields
Wilson
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No clue. Don't really watch college FB.



Good thing I do.

No
Yes
No
No
Yes
Yes


Didn't you nail the Herbert pick last year?

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Lamar and Josh Allen would like a word...

You sure they would? They’ve been pretty quiet tonight

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Lamar and Josh Allen would like a word...

You sure they would? They’ve been pretty quiet tonight

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I don’t think you can teach Jackson how to throw and that’s always going to limit him.

I don’t disagree necessarily but a limited Lamar is still a top 6 QB in the league. If he gets just a little better at passing while he’s in his athletic prime it’s over for the rest of the league.

Not to pile on after a loss, but this was a great example of Jackson’s weaknesses. Guy just can’t throw the ball. He’s an all world athlete on the ground, but if that’s figured out his team can’t move the ball.

There’s no world in which he improves in a way that threatens a guy like mahomes (and borderline Allen if he builds in this year).

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The problem with a QB like Jackson is they usually are weeded out as one dimensional by college. He is a tweener of some sort. One and a half dimensional or something. He can’t reliably thrown for sure when he’s pressured.

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The dagger tonight was that was a terrible read by LJ, probably threw it where he wanted.


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I thonk you're crazy..he is a top 6 or 7 QB in the league and barring a serious injury he will remain there.


He's a top 10 to 15 quarterback. Hopkins was a crutch for him and as the year went on he began to learn how to play quarterback without that crutch.


Uh, no fucking way.

Watson had his best statistical season this year after Hopkins was traded, COVID, coach fired, and team totally sucking.

Aside from Mahomes, there isn’t a QB that is a better option over the next decade.


His #1 got suspended for the last 6 weeks for Ped's also.

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Colts
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Any other team that trades all those picks for him will regret it..he could win a SB or two with SF, Indy or Pittsburgh and that payload wouldn't cripple em.

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I feel better about my record for quarterbacks not named Grossman or (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Let's not forget that I was on an island when it came to Brady until the last 7 years or so. That's when MANY of you all decided to join me.

On an island on Brady? After he had won 3 SBs?


I came to the board believing that Brady was better than Manning and that opinion was mocked until the last 7 years or so.
Come on Nas. There are a lot of Manning haters on this board (myself included). There’s no way you were alone in that thought.

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