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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:44 pm

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Nas wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Nas wrote:

Franky T wrote:

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Jackson is better than Watson.

Might be one day, but not yet.

Jackson won an MVP and he's put up better or comparable numbers WITHOUT a top 2 or 3 WR in the NFL.

All else equal, would you prefer Wilson or Jackson on the Bears?

I'm intrigued by the potential of Jackson, but I would probably take the finished product that is Russell Wilson.

Agreed. I’d have Russ at #2 long term (I’m assuming 37yr old Rodgers is on some emo-PEDs).

I don’t think you can teach Jackson how to throw and that’s always going to limit him.

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:56 am

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Nas wrote:

312player wrote:

I thonk you're crazy..he is a top 6 or 7 QB in the league and barring a serious injury he will remain there.

He's a top 10 to 15 quarterback. Hopkins was a crutch for him and as the year went on he began to learn how to play quarterback without that crutch.

Uh, no fucking way.

Watson had his best statistical season this year after Hopkins was traded, COVID, coach fired, and team totally sucking.

Aside from Mahomes, there isn’t a QB that is a better option over the next decade.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Nas wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Nas wrote:

Franky T wrote:

Nas wrote:

Jackson is better than Watson.

Might be one day, but not yet.

Jackson won an MVP and he's put up better or comparable numbers WITHOUT a top 2 or 3 WR in the NFL.

All else equal, would you prefer Wilson or Jackson on the Bears?

I'm intrigued by the potential of Jackson, but I would probably take the finished product that is Russell Wilson.

Agreed. I’d have Russ at #2 long term (I’m assuming 37yr old Rodgers is on some emo-PEDs).

I don’t think you can teach Jackson how to throw and that’s always going to limit him.

I don’t disagree necessarily but a limited Lamar is still a top 6 QB in the league. If he gets just a little better at passing while he’s in his athletic prime it’s over for the rest of the league.

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:05 am

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Lamar is probably the best athlete in the league, If threw on the run when these safeties and corners freeze up when he rolls out he would be so much more deadly. His arm is strong AF.

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

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Nas wrote:

Franky T wrote:

Nas wrote:

Jackson is better than Watson.

Might be one day, but not yet.

Jackson won an MVP and he's put up better or comparable numbers WITHOUT a top 2 or 3 WR in the NFL.

Problem with Jackson is so much of his game depends on him running the ball. How many NFL QB's have a long successful career doing that?

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:59 am

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Franky T wrote:

Nas wrote:

Franky T wrote:

Nas wrote:

Jackson is better than Watson.

Might be one day, but not yet.

Jackson won an MVP and he's put up better or comparable numbers WITHOUT a top 2 or 3 WR in the NFL.

Problem with Jackson is so much of his game depends on him running the ball. How many NFL QB's have a long successful career doing that?

Impossible to know. We’ve never seen anybody like Lamar before.

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:07 am

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Vick pretty similar, they didnt use him correctly though.

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:13 am

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312player wrote:

Vick pretty similar, they didnt use him correctly though.

Vick is the closest comp obviously but Lamar is a completely different player.

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:55 am

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Watson is a fun quarterback to watch. If I could will him to the Bears would I? Yes 100%. But he's still got the stink of 4 win season. But we can give him a mulligan...no more though...hes pulled the "I get to pick the GM card"..another 4-5 win season and he owns that.

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

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Caller Bob wrote:

He didn’t get to pick the GM

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

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FavreFan wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

He didn’t get to pick the GM

Which is why hes pouting

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:58 pm

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Caller Bob wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

He didn’t get to pick the GM

Which is why hes pouting

He’s not pouting nor asking to pick the GM. He’s rightfully indignant that the Texans are probably the most dysfunctional organization in the NFL. He’s not the only Texan to say so. After Mahomes, Watson is the next QB in line when you are asking which QB will you want under center for the next decade.

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:23 pm

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Lamar and Josh Allen would like a word...

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:22 pm

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One Post wrote:

Nas wrote:

312player wrote:

I thonk you're crazy..he is a top 6 or 7 QB in the league and barring a serious injury he will remain there.

He's a top 10 to 15 quarterback. Hopkins was a crutch for him and as the year went on he began to learn how to play quarterback without that crutch.

A lot of stat padding late in games during a 4-12 season.

I would take Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Dak and maybe even Lawrence. I don't think Watson or Murray will last 10 years

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:41 pm

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Nas wrote:

One Post wrote:

Nas wrote:

312player wrote:

I thonk you're crazy..he is a top 6 or 7 QB in the league and barring a serious injury he will remain there.

He's a top 10 to 15 quarterback. Hopkins was a crutch for him and as the year went on he began to learn how to play quarterback without that crutch.

A lot of stat padding late in games during a 4-12 season.

I would take Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Dak and maybe even Lawrence. I don't think Watson or Murray will last 10 years

Your record on QBs has been stellar.

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:48 pm

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Nas wrote:

One Post wrote:

Nas wrote:

312player wrote:

I thonk you're crazy..he is a top 6 or 7 QB in the league and barring a serious injury he will remain there.

He's a top 10 to 15 quarterback. Hopkins was a crutch for him and as the year went on he began to learn how to play quarterback without that crutch.

A lot of stat padding late in games during a 4-12 season.

I would take Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Dak and maybe even Lawrence. I don't think Watson or Murray will last 10 years

Your record on QBs has been stellar.

I feel better about my record for quarterbacks not named Grossman or (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Let's not forget that I was on an island when it came to Brady until the last 7 years or so. That's when MANY of you all decided to join me.

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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:54 pm

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What ya think about ..

Fields
Wilson
Trask
Jones
Lance
Riddle

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

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Nas wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Nas wrote:

One Post wrote:

Nas wrote:

312player wrote:

I thonk you're crazy..he is a top 6 or 7 QB in the league and barring a serious injury he will remain there.

He's a top 10 to 15 quarterback. Hopkins was a crutch for him and as the year went on he began to learn how to play quarterback without that crutch.

A lot of stat padding late in games during a 4-12 season.

I would take Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Dak and maybe even Lawrence. I don't think Watson or Murray will last 10 years

Your record on QBs has been stellar.

On an island on Brady? After he had won 3 SBs?

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:56 pm

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312player wrote:

What ya think about ..

Fields
Wilson
Trask
Jones
Lance
Riddle

No clue. Don't really watch college FB.

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:57 pm

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Nas wrote:

312player wrote:

What ya think about ..

Fields
Wilson
Trask
Jones
Lance
Riddle

No clue. Don't really watch college FB.

Good thing I do.

No
Yes
No
No
Yes
Yes

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:01 pm

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

On an island on Brady? After he had won 3 SBs?[/quote]

I came to the board believing that Brady was better than Manning and that opinion was mocked until the last 7 years or so.

312player wrote:

Nas wrote:

312player wrote:

What ya think about ..

Fields
Wilson
Trask
Jones
Lance
Riddle

No clue. Don't really watch college FB.

Good thing I do.

No
Yes
No
No
Yes
Yes

Didn't you nail the Herbert pick last year?

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Caller Bob wrote:

Lamar and Josh Allen would like a word...

You sure they would? They’ve been pretty quiet tonight

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FavreFan wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

Lamar and Josh Allen would like a word...

You sure they would? They’ve been pretty quiet tonight

Watson's looking good this postseason

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Post subject: Re: Deshaun Watson

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:32 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

I don’t think you can teach Jackson how to throw and that’s always going to limit him.

Not to pile on after a loss, but this was a great example of Jackson’s weaknesses. Guy just can’t throw the ball. He’s an all world athlete on the ground, but if that’s figured out his team can’t move the ball.

There’s no world in which he improves in a way that threatens a guy like mahomes (and borderline Allen if he builds in this year).

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The problem with a QB like Jackson is they usually are weeded out as one dimensional by college. He is a tweener of some sort. One and a half dimensional or something. He can’t reliably thrown for sure when he’s pressured.

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The dagger tonight was that was a terrible read by LJ, probably threw it where he wanted.

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One Post wrote:

Nas wrote:

312player wrote:

I thonk you're crazy..he is a top 6 or 7 QB in the league and barring a serious injury he will remain there.

He's a top 10 to 15 quarterback. Hopkins was a crutch for him and as the year went on he began to learn how to play quarterback without that crutch.

His #1 got suspended for the last 6 weeks for Ped's also.

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Jbi11s wrote:

Colts
Niners
Pittsburgh

Any other team that trades all those picks for him will regret it..he could win a SB or two with SF, Indy or Pittsburgh and that payload wouldn't cripple em.

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Nas wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Nas wrote:

On an island on Brady? After he had won 3 SBs?

I came to the board believing that Brady was better than Manning and that opinion was mocked until the last 7 years or so.

Come on Nas. There are a lot of Manning haters on this board (myself included). There’s no way you were alone in that thought.

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