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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:20 am 
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Only so much a man can take fellow idiot. Got an opinion? didnt think so


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:23 am 
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I have shared my opinion on this topic several times in this thread.

I just find it amazingly funny how you made such a big deal about you were the type of person that did not call names and just discussed the issues, and then you resort to calling names.

You are an idiot.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:49 am 
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So you're saying Jeter isnt better than Theriot defensively?


Yes. Do I fucking stutter? Jeter is the worst defensive starting shortstop in the game. Period.

Here's an article from Rob Neyer in 2001 talking about how bad Jeter is. http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/neyer_rob/1415713.html

You could read this article from one month ago if you like:
http://www.slate.com/id/2195149/

Or you could just type "Derek Jeter defense" into google and see what it spits out.

Ramirez has never been very good defensively, and Renteria used to be very good but no longer is. Ramirez is 6 runs below average defensively; Theriot is one. Renteria is league average (one run under) just like Theriot.

What is your criteria, exactly, for defense? Because it's obviously not good.



Blah blah blah. Three more errors than Jeter and 30 fewer chances. Makes sense to me. Jeter goes back on balls better. Jeter has a better arm. And I say Jeter has better range. Oh, yeah. I'm an idiot. As I said. I like Theriot. Not at SS. Guess that makes me a retarded idiot.

And I guess I'm an idiot for saying that Jeter is better than Theriot. I must need therapy.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:56 am 
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RFDC wrote:
I have shared my opinion on this topic several times in this thread.

I just find it amazingly funny how you made such a big deal about you were the type of person that did not call names and just discussed the issues, and then you resort to calling names.

You are an idiot.


I'm getting better at this name stuff. You're a cock guzzling Puss ball. You didnt deserve that but name calling must be the new in thing for some of you "idiots". If you noticed all of my posts, I was called names countless times by just giving an opinion or responding to someone else's opinion you "idiot". I finally gave it back to the "idiots" sarcasticly by calling "them" names.

As I've read here and said myself countless times. Reading is a skill. Try your best to read whats said before just throwing shit out there. You "idiots" all think you're smart by calling me out? Keep it coming "idiots".

You guys have something there. This is fun.


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Mr. Belvidere wrote:

I'm getting better at this name stuff. You're a cock guzzling Puss ball. You didnt deserve that but name calling must be the new in thing for some of you "idiots".


if you ever want some help, here are some fun ones:

you're a burrito felching crotch goblin.

you're a brown paper bag full of sweltering sewer rat shit, set on fire by your own assness.

you fucktrapped herpe lesion.

and no i'm not calling you those things...they're merely suggestions. i'm in a giving mood.


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Mr. Belvidere wrote:
Irish Boy wrote:
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So you're saying Jeter isnt better than Theriot defensively?


Yes. Do I fucking stutter? Jeter is the worst defensive starting shortstop in the game. Period.

Here's an article from Rob Neyer in 2001 talking about how bad Jeter is. http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/neyer_rob/1415713.html

You could read this article from one month ago if you like:
http://www.slate.com/id/2195149/

Or you could just type "Derek Jeter defense" into google and see what it spits out.

Ramirez has never been very good defensively, and Renteria used to be very good but no longer is. Ramirez is 6 runs below average defensively; Theriot is one. Renteria is league average (one run under) just like Theriot.

What is your criteria, exactly, for defense? Because it's obviously not good.



Blah blah blah. Three more errors than Jeter and 30 fewer chances. Makes sense to me. Jeter goes back on balls better. Jeter has a better arm. And I say Jeter has better range. Oh, yeah. I'm an idiot. As I said. I like Theriot. Not at SS. Guess that makes me a retarded idiot.

And I guess I'm an idiot for saying that Jeter is better than Theriot. I must need therapy.


If you say Jeter has a better range, then you are a fucking idiot. This isn't 1911; we have better ways of quantifying defensive play than errors. And they all say the same thing: Jeter blows. Your insistance to the otherwise further displays your ignorance.

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Thanks for the love, Bell.
BTW, the pitcher's name is Dan Haren.
Dunn is hitting .207 vs. the Cubs this season. Yes, five of his six hits are home runs. I find it hard to believe that he will continue that pace against them.
Johnson is great against the Cubs, but that wasn't my point. This season, Haren has better overall numbers.

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If you say Jeter has a better range, then you are a fucking idiot. This isn't 1911; we have better ways of quantifying defensive play than errors. And they all say the same thing: Jeter blows. Your insistance to the otherwise further displays your ignorance.[/quote]


You think Theriot gets to balls better than Jeter? I know Jeter's no Gold Glover but come one. Why are you even going there?

Jeter is on Cubs tomorrow- you love him abd he plays Short. You know it. I know it.

You would love him like you do Edmonds.


Every team in Baseball has Jeter and Theriot. EVERY TEAAM plays Jeter at Short. End of story.


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Brian's Mojito wrote:
Thanks for the love, Bell.
BTW, the pitcher's name is Dan Haren.
Dunn is hitting .207 vs. the Cubs this season. Yes, five of his six hits are home runs. I find it hard to believe that he will continue that pace against them.
Johnson is great against the Cubs, but that wasn't my point. This season, Haren has better overall numbers.

Remember, The Cubs end the Wait in 2008.


I know who Haren is. MY point was the Cubs lost to D Backs last year and their pitching is better now than last year. The Cubs have good pitching too. This whole deal was suppose to be about Al Ramirez and GM vs GM. I say my opinion and I get railed. Is Jeter a better player than Theriot. Fuck yeah. I hate the Yankees but the guy is still a very good player. He doe not suck. Most here thought Edmonds sucked until he changed to blue. Now he's the best. Going into this year, most would have preferred Swisher to Edmonds in a land slide. But now because Swisher is in Black and Edmonds is in Blue, everything has changed.

I think this Cub team is the BEST CUB team I've ever seen because of their four starters, deep line-up and solid late relief. They paid for that. I respect that but come on. They should be where they are. The Sox git a guy no one ever heard of at 2nd. A questionable rotation. A no name in Left. Kenny went out and got a bullpen and band aids and things are working out.

Kenny has done more with less.

Al. Ramirez is going to be a star. (AT SHORT STOP)

And Jeter is better than Theriot. Am I that out of line?


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I don't know how to get this through your head, but he's not better defensively. This isn't a constroversial position I'm taking; if you said that among stat guys you'd be laughed out of the room, and rightfully so If I had Jeter, he'd be playing second base. And if I had to chose between Theriot and Jeter at short, I probably would play Jeter, but absolutely not because of his defense, but because of his hitting.

Meanwhile, you're taking Ramirez, who has played a below-average second base and moving him to an even more demanding position?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:00 am 
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Irish Boy wrote:
I don't know how to get this through your head, but he's not better defensively. This isn't a constroversial position I'm taking; if you said that among stat guys you'd be laughed out of the room, and rightfully so If I had Jeter, he'd be playing second base. And if I had to chose between Theriot and Jeter at short, I probably would play Jeter, but absolutely not because of his defense, but because of his hitting.

Meanwhile, you're taking Ramirez, who has played a below-average second base and moving him to an even more demanding position?


Huh? You'd play him at 2nd or you'd play him at short? Their both on the same team and you play Jeter at Short? You lost me. You say Theriot is a better short stop to GM's and Scouts and you get laughed out of the room.

I guess I dont get your point about Jeter/Theriot.

You put those guys on a board for any team to take and ALL of them would pick Jeter. And I like Theriot.

And Ramirez's main position is Short Stop. He's the best they have now and everyone in the organization feels the same way. He's more versitile than Cabrera and Cabrera's solid. Thats why he's playing 2nd. He's below average 2B? Do you watch the games? Your stats are flawed in this case because he has improved. I dont care what your stat bible says. He has great range that reminds me of Roberto Alomar. He throws back to first after moving to his right better than anyone I've ever seen. And he is starting to hit like Soriano did when he was younger. Sky's the limit.

Shit Irish! I'm not out of line here. Calm the fuck down. I dont see very many Jeter games so maybe I'm missing something. I do watch a lot of Chicago Baseball though and from what I see, Theriot is a fine player that can play three positions but I FEEL his best one based on his range and arm is 2nd. Thats it.

Lets move on. Have a good Sunday.


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Alexi is a natural shortstop. Numbers wise, Theriot would be below average too if you moved him to 2nd base.

How Jeter gets gold gloves and praise for his defense is a fucking travesty. Just because he fields the grounders that are hit right at him does not make him Omar Visquel.

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does not make him Omar Visquel


Or Omar Vizquel.


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Frank,
Just what exactly is a "natural shortstop?"
You say Theriot would suffer as a second baseman, and
Belvidere says Theriot is not a shortstop but a second baseman.
I am so confused!
In my opinion, shortstop is a much tougher position than second, so
it would seem that Alexei's defense would suffer by a move to short.
On the other hand, another year's experience should bring about
an improvement no matter where they play him.

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