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Seriously wish i could switch teams. The bears are god awful

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Dalton is bad, and old. I'd rather have any random young draft pick/UDFA QB, and hope for a miracle. With Dalton, your ceiling is "don't completely fuck up and maybe we can win games 17-13".


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Brick wrote:
They played a similar amount of games, and 2020 (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was slightly better than 2020 Dalton.

And Dalton had a better OL and better WRs.

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P/Att Dalton 333, Mitch 297
Big play Passes (>25 yd) Dalton 14, Mitch 6


Cowboys might have the best skill position players in the NFL. Their WR group is phenomenal.

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He may be bad but at least he's expensive.

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They played a similar amount of games, and 2020 (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was slightly better than 2020 Dalton.



Does it matter? Neither QB is the future of the franchise.

Pace and Nagy are just hoping to stopgap their way to contract extensions.

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Mitch's positive numbers are deceiving. The bizarre success of the Bears dump passing propped his passing stats up. The organization lost total confidence in him. Proof is they rarely let him try to go long on 3rd and long, and just dumped it off. They beat bad teams doing this, but good teams it doesn't work. The telling stat is his only 6 passes +25 yards in 2020.


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1 T. Brady TB 41
2t K. Cousins Min 37
2t A. Rodgers GB 37
4 M. Ryan Atl 32
5 K. Murray Ari 31
6 R. Wilson Sea 30
7 M. Stafford Det 29
8t T. Bridgewater Car 27
8t J. Goff LAR 27
10 C. Wentz Phi 20
11 D. Brees NO 18
12 N. Mullens SF 17
13 D. Jones NYG 16
14 D. Prescott Dal 15
15t A. Dalton Dal 14
15t N. Foles Chi 14
17 A. Smith Was 12
18 J. Hurts Phi 11
19 D. Haskins Was 10
20t C. Beathard SF 6
20t J. Garoppolo SF 6
20t T. Hill NO 6
20t M. Trubiskey Chi 6


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vitoscotti wrote:
15t A. Dalton Dal 14
15t N. Foles Chi 14
...and like that, we see the flaw in the argument about big passing plays.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was inarguably a better quarterback than Foles with the Bears last year.

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Brick wrote:
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15t A. Dalton Dal 14
15t N. Foles Chi 14
...and like that, we see the flaw in the argument about big passing plays.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was inarguably a better quarterback than Foles with the Bears last year.

Foles fought for his life when he got stuck with the O Line at it's worst. Mitch returned to a much better O line after tweaking it.


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Yeah, he is better than Mitch.

:lol:

It's like deja vu from last offseason

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Brick wrote:
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15t A. Dalton Dal 14
15t N. Foles Chi 14
...and like that, we see the flaw in the argument about big passing plays.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was inarguably a better quarterback than Foles with the Bears last year.


Let's not quibble about which inadequate quarterback is the worst of the three.

The fatal problems are the McCaskeys, who are so ignorant that they evidently don't know what they don't know about football, and the overmatched incompetents they appoint to run their team.

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vitoscotti wrote:
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15t A. Dalton Dal 14
15t N. Foles Chi 14
...and like that, we see the flaw in the argument about big passing plays.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was inarguably a better quarterback than Foles with the Bears last year.

Foles fought for his life when he got stuck with the O Line at it's worst. Mitch returned to a much better O line after tweaking it.

That's a pretty amazing coincidence. The Bears OL looked bad because Foles can't move and teams could easily defend him and he isn't a good enough passer to make up for it. There is a reason the OL got remarkably worse as soon as (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was benched and remarkably better as soon as he was put back in.

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Tall Midget wrote:
Brick wrote:
vitoscotti wrote:
15t A. Dalton Dal 14
15t N. Foles Chi 14
...and like that, we see the flaw in the argument about big passing plays.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was inarguably a better quarterback than Foles with the Bears last year.


Let's not quibble about which inadequate quarterback is the worst of the three.

We are Bears fans. Thats what we do.


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Tall Midget wrote:
Brick wrote:
vitoscotti wrote:
15t A. Dalton Dal 14
15t N. Foles Chi 14
...and like that, we see the flaw in the argument about big passing plays.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was inarguably a better quarterback than Foles with the Bears last year.


Let's not quibble about which inadequate quarterback is the worst of the three.

The fatal problems are the McCaskeys, who are so ignorant that they evidently don't know what they don't know about football, and the overmatched incompetents they appoint to run their team.

That's true, but it's better than rooting for the hypothetical Chicago Cardinals.

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Brick wrote:
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15t A. Dalton Dal 14
15t N. Foles Chi 14
...and like that, we see the flaw in the argument about big passing plays.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was inarguably a better quarterback than Foles with the Bears last year.

Foles fought for his life when he got stuck with the O Line at it's worst. Mitch returned to a much better O line after tweaking it.

That's a pretty amazing coincidence. The Bears OL looked bad because Foles can't move and teams could easily defend him and he isn't a good enough passer to make up for it. There is a reason the OL got remarkably worse as soon as (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was benched and remarkably better as soon as he was put back in.

It was bad Mitch's first shot too. Do you watch the games, read analysis, interviews? Follow the NFL? They revamped the O line is a fact not my opinion.


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Brick wrote:
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15t A. Dalton Dal 14
15t N. Foles Chi 14
...and like that, we see the flaw in the argument about big passing plays.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was inarguably a better quarterback than Foles with the Bears last year.

Foles fought for his life when he got stuck with the O Line at it's worst. Mitch returned to a much better O line after tweaking it.

That's a pretty amazing coincidence. The Bears OL looked bad because Foles can't move and teams could easily defend him and he isn't a good enough passer to make up for it. There is a reason the OL got remarkably worse as soon as (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was benched and remarkably better as soon as he was put back in.


Same thing happened with Chase Daniel. I think that the Bears may find out that their improved pass blocking was the product of having a mobile quarterback.

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It was bad Mitch's first shot too. Do you watch the games, read analysis, interviews? Follow the NFL? They revamped the O line is a fact not my opinion.
I didn't see anything about the OL being bad while (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was starting the first few games. That same OL was also letting them rush for 130-150 a game with him those first 3 games. Over the next 7 games, they would be around 30-50 a game besides one where they hit 96. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky gets put back in and they do 100+ for the rest of the season.t

The OL was bad because Foles isn't a good enough passer to make up for how easily a defense can defend him.

With that said, it still shows the flaw in your statistic. Foles was "outperforming" (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky just like Dalton in that stat and no one would argue that Foles outperformed (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky last year. Even Nagy had to cut his losses on Foles last year.

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vitoscotti wrote:
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15t A. Dalton Dal 14
15t N. Foles Chi 14
...and like that, we see the flaw in the argument about big passing plays.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was inarguably a better quarterback than Foles with the Bears last year.

Foles fought for his life when he got stuck with the O Line at it's worst. Mitch returned to a much better O line after tweaking it.

That's a pretty amazing coincidence. The Bears OL looked bad because Foles can't move and teams could easily defend him and he isn't a good enough passer to make up for it. There is a reason the OL got remarkably worse as soon as (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was benched and remarkably better as soon as he was put back in.


Same thing happened with Chase Daniel. I think that the Bears may find out that their improved pass blocking was the product of having a mobile quarterback.


Their improved pass blocking was partially a function of their improved running game.

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Their improved pass blocking was a function of their improved running game.
The inability to run with Foles in the game can't be a coincidence. It was almost instantaneous. Attempts were down but yards per attempt was way down.

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This is pathetic. Look at us and what we've been reduced to--arguing about who sucks the least. Fuck Pace, Nagy and the McCaskeys. I'm done.

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you have to acknowledge that the line got better when they moved Mustipher and Bars into the starting lineup and Whitehair to guard

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Mitch, Foles, Dalton, draft pick....doesn't matter. The Bears are in NFL hell. Not bad enough to get a top 3-4 pick, but not good enough to make a serious playoff/Super Bowl run. They will manage to win 7 or 8 games again next season. Maybe that gets them another 7th seed COVID Wild Card loss, but thats likely their high water mark.

The Defense will continue to be good, not great, and by the time a draft pick QB or whatever is ready to rock, the D will be atrocious.

This organization sucks. Nothing is likely to change as long as the McCaskeys are the majority owners.

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This is pathetic. Look at us and what we've been reduced to--arguing about who sucks the least. Fuck Pace, Nagy and the McCaskeys. I'm done.

Say it with me Midge, Go Pack Go!!!!

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This is pathetic. Look at us and what we've been reduced to--arguing about who sucks the least. Fuck Pace, Nagy and the McCaskeys. I'm done.

Say it with me Midge, Go Pack Go!!!!



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Honestly, the braindead are the ones constantly following and cheering for the Bears at this point.

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This is pathetic. Look at us and what we've been reduced to--arguing about who sucks the least. Fuck Pace, Nagy and the McCaskeys. I'm done.

Say it with me Midge, Go Pack Go!!!!



The chainsaw cut a limb off, it didn’t give him a lobotomy.

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Honestly, the braindead are the ones constantly following and cheering for the Bears at this point.



I don’t follow them nearly as much as I did in the past. It’s not worth it to me anymore but I suppose, as I age, this is becoming more common with sports. I actually don’t hate this signing. I think it’s pointless and a waste but I’m pleased they haven’t traded 83 draft picks to get a 32 year old Russel Wilson. Nothing changes as long as the McCaskey family continues to run it the way they run it. Could they do something wise and hire an actually football guy as team president or someone who at least understands how to build a franchise? Could they get a GM who is worth his salt? I suppose but I just don’t see it happening. They’ll continue to hire consultants and search firms to get some former scout or assistant GM who will be in over his head. Its frustrating as hell and at times I wish it was easy to switch fandoms but really, it’s easier just to not make time for them at all.


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Mitch's positive numbers are deceiving. The bizarre success of the Bears dump passing propped his passing stats up. The organization lost total confidence in him. Proof is they rarely let him try to go long on 3rd and long, and just dumped it off. They beat bad teams doing this, but good teams it doesn't work. The telling stat is his only 6 passes +25 yards in 2020.


NFL Leaders
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Big Play Passes
Rank Name Team Stats
1 T. Brady TB 41
2t K. Cousins Min 37
2t A. Rodgers GB 37
4 M. Ryan Atl 32
5 K. Murray Ari 31
6 R. Wilson Sea 30
7 M. Stafford Det 29
8t T. Bridgewater Car 27
8t J. Goff LAR 27
10 C. Wentz Phi 20
11 D. Brees NO 18
12 N. Mullens SF 17
13 D. Jones NYG 16
14 D. Prescott Dal 15
15t A. Dalton Dal 14
15t N. Foles Chi 14
17 A. Smith Was 12
18 J. Hurts Phi 11
19 D. Haskins Was 10
20t C. Beathard SF 6
20t J. Garoppolo SF 6
20t T. Hill NO 6
20t M. Trubiskey Chi 6


Dink and Dunk Cousins surprises me at #2.

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vitoscotti wrote:
Mitch's positive numbers are deceiving. The bizarre success of the Bears dump passing propped his passing stats up. The organization lost total confidence in him. Proof is they rarely let him try to go long on 3rd and long, and just dumped it off. They beat bad teams doing this, but good teams it doesn't work. The telling stat is his only 6 passes +25 yards in 2020.


NFL Leaders
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Big Play Passes
Rank Name Team Stats
1 T. Brady TB 41
2t K. Cousins Min 37
2t A. Rodgers GB 37
4 M. Ryan Atl 32
5 K. Murray Ari 31
6 R. Wilson Sea 30
7 M. Stafford Det 29
8t T. Bridgewater Car 27
8t J. Goff LAR 27
10 C. Wentz Phi 20
11 D. Brees NO 18
12 N. Mullens SF 17
13 D. Jones NYG 16
14 D. Prescott Dal 15
15t A. Dalton Dal 14
15t N. Foles Chi 14
17 A. Smith Was 12
18 J. Hurts Phi 11
19 D. Haskins Was 10
20t C. Beathard SF 6
20t J. Garoppolo SF 6
20t T. Hill NO 6
20t M. Trubiskey Chi 6


Dink and Dunk Cousins surprises me at #2.

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