The shift was happening during the Obama years but it wasn't really noticeable because there wasn't a lot to complain about with Obama. Hillary vs. Trump forced you to choose a side and many went with Trump.

There was a great impact by Trump though. My big question is how we have so many people here who loved Bernie, switched to at least preferring Trump, but haven't continued that support with AOC. There isn't a major policy difference between Bernie and AOC.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

A lot of people hate women. Hating women is a great predictor for identifying a Trumpet.

I honestly don't believe that any of them truly supported Bernie. They just saw him as the easier person to defeat in the general election. His defeat also provided them with another wedge issue to use to create chaos. As you may have noticed, their talking points are fluid and they don't currently support any of Bernie's policies that President Biden has pushed.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

That's quite a narrative.

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Freedom is our Strength.

Nas has the ability to read people's minds. People who disagree with him politically are just women hating liars.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Long time guy hates women and he's not a trumpet.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

I know I'm going out on a limb here, but from an economic standpoint I'd say there is very little difference between mainstream Rs and Ds.

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Did this thread turn into a political thread?

No

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You seem to be the type who complains about any politician. Didn't like Biden, McCain, Obama, Trump, Romney(most likely), Bush, Kerry, Gore, Hillary, Bill.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You can find plenty to complain about with most politicians. Just because the media was reluctant to cover Obama's egregious infringements on civil liberties and his continuation of Bush II's warmongering policies doesn't mean they didn't occur.

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Freedom is our Strength.

There is more to blame Obama for than just that.




This one is even better: https://youtu.be/KAUZlrdFMXY

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

So your problem with Obama was the media treatment he got?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Outside of Fox News, the mainstream media has been simping for Obama for the past 15 years.

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bernie became more relevant during the great financial crisis. he had spoken out against american corporations moving to ireland or having a p.o. box in the cayman islands to avoid american taxation, the weakening of unions, the repeal of glass-steagall and income inequality for years. all that was very relevant and those points really hit home with many americans in 2008-2009.

the 'switch' occurred because his social platforms were bat-shit crazy - or, nearly the democratic party 'norm', today. amnesty and welfare for illegals, open borders, free tertiary education and dare i say, culture war(s).

i do give kudos to bernie for exposing hillary as a bought-off, establishment politician: in relation to the TPP. i do believe that helped trump.

AOC is nothing. no statesman(person), no diplomat. she was voted in by tribalistic voters who want chain-migration, amnesty and free stuff. no secret there.

"I support Bernie but I don't like a lot of the ideas of liberals". Makes sense.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

you just answered your big question.

i supported most of trump's economic policies, but i did not like his presidential demeanor. makes sense.

you need to ask why more americans don't like aoc?

All research on the subject finds that the idea people become conservative voters over time is a myth.

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I said they go from Democrat to Republican. What you are citing is a different discussion. It's as much about how the parties change as it is the people voting.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I’ve not seen any evidence that supports the idea that people change parties with age. People tend to stick with political affiliations or not vote, unless they want to be party to a Lincoln Project type grift.

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I thought the old saying was if you are young and conservative you don't have a heart, if you are old and liberal you don't have a brain?

Well the Republican Party is going to be extinct pretty soon then.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

A Churchill saying or at least one he popularized. He did switch parties.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Tell us what it’s like to be a fanatical devotee of one man JORR. Help us understand.

What were those infringements JORR?

Republicans will be fine. Young people aren’t a monolith and we have the benefit of the brilliant electoral college / construction of the Senate.

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The Tea Party tried hijacking the Republican party. Not dead yet, but it does appeared they've failed. It looked in 2016 like the GOP Civil War was going to get bad, but after Trump got elected....that seemed to settle. I know MANY disagreed, but I think Trump caved to the GOP more than the GOP caved to Trump.

Current state, the Democratic party Civil War seems to be a bigger rift than the GOP, but I'm sure they'll stand just fine. Plenty of Insurance and Financial Sector money to hold off the Squad.

If the GOP was going to be extinct.....it would have happened already.

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not if they continue to protect the spirit of the constitution. the dems try to use technicalities, or lack thereof, as a weapon. republicans use the spirit of the document to promote freedom. theres a big difference. and lately, a lot of democrats are pissed off at their party.

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

He was absolutely full-on MAGA by the end, and no matter how impure you think the left is now, you can't spin that devotion to Donald Trump as The Real Leftism.

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I liked leash. I miss him.

The alternative was Joe Biden. This wasn't some referendum on social programs.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?