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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Love
PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:38 pm 
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In less than 24 hours, Packer fans have gone from dismissing Fields' potential

I've been a Fields backer since before the draft.

Bears fans sure do love lying.


I also often demonstrate my enthusiasm for professional athletes by claiming that they are "ruined".

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Ad hominem attacks always form the underpinnings of a strong argument.

I accept your surrender, though I'm quite sure Justin Fields will not be as kind to the Packers in the coming years.

Surrender? I was in on Fields being obviously the 2nd best prospect in this class before you seemed to have any opinion of him whatsoever. But sure, pretend that making a Bears/Nagy joke invalidates all the other numerous Fields posts from draft time.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Love
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I still don't know how anyone would know that Fields is better than Love currently. He very well may be, but there is not enough body of work on either of them.


It's pretty easy to see that Fields is currently better than Love. Comparing potential is another story.

Man, you should have been in player personnel in the NFL if you can make all of those evaluations after 1 game. That is damn impressive.


You seem to be struggling with the concept of evaluating performance vs. potential.

There has been 1 game to evaluate, hard to draw many conclusions.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Love
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FavreFan wrote:
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In less than 24 hours, Packer fans have gone from dismissing Fields' potential

I've been a Fields backer since before the draft.

Bears fans sure do love lying.


I also often demonstrate my enthusiasm for professional athletes by claiming that they are "ruined".

Obtuse Midget strikes again


Ad hominem attacks always form the underpinnings of a strong argument.

I accept your surrender, though I'm quite sure Justin Fields will not be as kind to the Packers in the coming years.

Surrender? I was in on Fields being obviously the 2nd best prospect in this class before you seemed to have any opinion of him whatsoever. But sure, pretend that making a Bears/Nagy joke invalidates all the other numerous Fields posts from draft time.


You're being disingenuous. You've made your "ruined" comment more than once and have also made other comments indicating that Love is/will be better than Fields.

More importantly, given your trolling history on this board, the oddly thin skin you're displaying here is more than a little puerile.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Love
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I still don't know how anyone would know that Fields is better than Love currently. He very well may be, but there is not enough body of work on either of them.


It's pretty easy to see that Fields is currently better than Love. Comparing potential is another story.

Man, you should have been in player personnel in the NFL if you can make all of those evaluations after 1 game. That is damn impressive.


You seem to be struggling with the concept of evaluating performance vs. potential.

There has been 1 game to evaluate, hard to draw many conclusions.


I hear the NFL is cancelling the Super Bowl this year because it's only one game, hard to draw many conclusions!

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Love
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Tall Midget wrote:
You're being disingenuous. You've made your "ruined" comment more than once and have also made other comments indicating that Love is/will be better than Fields.

More importantly, given your trolling history on this board, the oddly thin skin you're displaying here is more than a little puerile.

It's thin skin to correct your own disingenuous trolling remarks?

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Love
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Years ago I said that I would take Burrow over Surfer Fabio and that hasn't changed. Fields and Mac may be the best quarterbacks in this draft.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Love
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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Love
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Today’s game is why I am not going to discount the possibility that Love turns out to be a good QB. Gutekunst was criticized when he picked Dillon in what was widely viewed as a luxury pick. He has already paid dividends and will be a savior if Jones is out for an extended time. Gute has proven to be a solid GM so far so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on Love.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Love
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Your GM can be good and love can still suck. I don't view Dillon as a luxury pick myself - anything you can do to capitalize on the (former) advantage your offense gives you. What was horrible about the love pick irrespective of him being franchise or not was that it did the opposite of the Dillon pick - it failed to capitalize on what you have right now, a HOF QB, and thus deprived the team of another asset it could use to ride Rodgers to a SB.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Love
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Your GM can be good and love can still suck. I don't view Dillon as a luxury pick myself - anything you can do to capitalize on the (former) advantage your offense gives you. What was horrible about the love pick irrespective of him being franchise or not was that it did the opposite of the Dillon pick - it failed to capitalize on what you have right now, a HOF QB, and thus deprived the team of another asset it could use to ride Rodgers to a SB.

The complaint about the Dillon pick is similar to the Love pick. They didn’t have a need at the position and could have used the pick to fill a hole. There is truth to that statement but it doesn’t necessarily mean the pick was wrong. Time will tell of course, but again Gutekunst has earned a bit of trust.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Love
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Where we differ is I think the pick is wrong in and of itself just because it didn't help Rodgers. For me, when I have a HOF QB, I need to maximize our chances of winning while he's still around. It's sort of like wanting to cut bait with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky because his ineptitude was wasting the championship-level defense we had. Get him out and get someone in who can do enough to let us ride the defense to glory. With GB, it's like holy shit we're in it every year because of this guy, what can I do with this pick to make sure he has what he needs to get us to the SB.

Like give me someone who can plug the holes we have on d, or someone who can make Rodgers even more potent (double down on your strengths if you can't improve your weakness), so we can really capitalize on having Rodgers and cash in at the end of the year. By investing in Love it's like they're distracted by the future when the present isn't even close to being finished yet. It's like drafting Jordan's replacement after the 4th ring instead of signing Brian Williams/Bison Dele to go after a 5th and 6th. You all needed a Bison Dele and who knows what would have happened against TB had you had Bison Dele on the field in whatever position and not someone holding a clipboard.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Love
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Where we differ is I think the pick is wrong in and of itself just because it didn't help Rodgers. For me, when I have a HOF QB, I need to maximize our chances of winning while he's still around. It's sort of like wanting to cut bait with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky because his ineptitude was wasting the championship-level defense we had. Get him out and get someone in who can do enough to let us ride the defense to glory. With GB, it's like holy shit we're in it every year because of this guy, what can I do with this pick to make sure he has what he needs to get us to the SB.

Like give me someone who can plug the holes we have on d, or someone who can make Rodgers even more potent (double down on your strengths if you can't improve your weakness), so we can really capitalize on having Rodgers and cash in at the end of the year. By investing in Love it's like they're distracted by the future when the present isn't even close to being finished yet. It's like drafting Jordan's replacement after the 4th ring instead of signing Brian Williams/Bison Dele to go after a 5th and 6th. You all needed a Bison Dele and who knows what would have happened against TB had you had Bison Dele on the field in whatever position and not someone holding a clipboard.
You can both draft and sign players. They could fill immediate needs through free agency or trades. However - in most cases- you can’t replace a HOF QB unless you acquire another one through the draft. They didn’t want to go through the usual downfall when Rodgers left (or dropped off) so they were proactive. Clearly if Love is a good player it will be viewed as a smart pick. If he sucks then it will have been a waste. We just don’t know yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Love
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Where we differ is I think the pick is wrong in and of itself just because it didn't help Rodgers. For me, when I have a HOF QB, I need to maximize our chances of winning while he's still around. It's sort of like wanting to cut bait with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky because his ineptitude was wasting the championship-level defense we had. Get him out and get someone in who can do enough to let us ride the defense to glory. With GB, it's like holy shit we're in it every year because of this guy, what can I do with this pick to make sure he has what he needs to get us to the SB.

Like give me someone who can plug the holes we have on d, or someone who can make Rodgers even more potent (double down on your strengths if you can't improve your weakness), so we can really capitalize on having Rodgers and cash in at the end of the year. By investing in Love it's like they're distracted by the future when the present isn't even close to being finished yet. It's like drafting Jordan's replacement after the 4th ring instead of signing Brian Williams/Bison Dele to go after a 5th and 6th. You all needed a Bison Dele and who knows what would have happened against TB had you had Bison Dele on the field in whatever position and not someone holding a clipboard.
You can both draft and sign players. They could fill immediate needs through free agency or trades. However - in most cases- you can’t replace a HOF QB unless you acquire another one through the draft. They didn’t want to go through the usual downfall when Rodgers left (or dropped off) so they were proactive. Clearly if Love is a good player it will be viewed as a smart pick. If he sucks then it will have been a waste. We just don’t know yet.



Agree to disagree, friend. For me it's always going to be a failed pick because it didn't accentuate what you have in Rogers in 2019/2020/2021. When a SB opportunity is right in front of you, do what it takes to capitalize - don't worry about 2023, 2024, 2025, etc., when there's a real possibility you can win now and for the next few years. Missed opportunity in my book no matter how Love turns out.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Love
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Today’s game is why I am not going to discount the possibility that Love turns out to be a good QB. Gutekunst was criticized when he picked Dillon in what was widely viewed as a luxury pick. He has already paid dividends and will be a savior if Jones is out for an extended time. Gute has proven to be a solid GM so far so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on Love.


Ryan Pace looks to be a savant at drafting RB's too. He still sucks as a GM.


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Today’s game is why I am not going to discount the possibility that Love turns out to be a good QB. Gutekunst was criticized when he picked Dillon in what was widely viewed as a luxury pick. He has already paid dividends and will be a savior if Jones is out for an extended time. Gute has proven to be a solid GM so far so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on Love.


Ryan Pace looks to be a savant at drafting RB's too. He still sucks as a GM.

Plus having two running backs isn't exactly unheard of.

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Today’s game is why I am not going to discount the possibility that Love turns out to be a good QB. Gutekunst was criticized when he picked Dillon in what was widely viewed as a luxury pick. He has already paid dividends and will be a savior if Jones is out for an extended time. Gute has proven to be a solid GM so far so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on Love.


Ryan Pace looks to be a savant at drafting RB's too. He still sucks as a GM.

Plus having two running backs isn't exactly unheard of.

Of course not but there was a lot of questioning the pick at the time. Not so much now.

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