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Juiced

Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:43 am

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:

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I am aware that Flores isn't balck balck, why is it outrageous for him to site racial bias in the hiring process in the NFL? There are roughly 1200 black players in the NFL and a high percentage in elite college football. This has been true for decades. However, there is currently only 1 black coach in the NFL and few at elite college programs. Even with the Rooney Rule in the NFL, blacks and former black players haven't been able to climb into the head coaching ranks. Looking at the high turnover rate in the NFL, I doubt competence is the only issue.

Imagine a league made up of 70% women, Asians, Hispanics, dwarfs or any other group of people, but they only represent 3% of leadership. Most would question it. Women would probably burn the place down.

He can do what he likes. Complaining that he didn’t get a job is kind of silly but maybe he’ll go on to great success as a result of suing every potential future employer.

Agreed. He should have just sued the Dolphins for defamatory remarks. The best they/them should get the job. Flores was considered a liability because of the remarks the Dolphins made about him. They (Dolphins) should have said nothing and wished him well.

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Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:45 am

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Brick wrote:

The NFL should create a rule to try and increase the amount of white cornerbacks.

And where did all the kickers of color go? I loved Reggie Roby and Ali Haji-Sheikh.

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Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:47 am

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Jaw Breaker wrote:

Brick wrote:

The NFL should create a rule to try and increase the amount of white cornerbacks.

And where did all the kickers of color go? I loved Reggie Roby and Ali Haji-Sheikh.

Steelers have the rare black punter.

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Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:49 am

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pittmike wrote:

Jaw Breaker wrote:

Brick wrote:

The NFL should create a rule to try and increase the amount of white cornerbacks.

And where did all the kickers of color go? I loved Reggie Roby and Ali Haji-Sheikh.

Steelers have the rare black punter.

Black coach
Black punter

They're the best.

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Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:58 am

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Terry's Peeps wrote:

pittmike wrote:

Jaw Breaker wrote:

Brick wrote:

The NFL should create a rule to try and increase the amount of white cornerbacks.

And where did all the kickers of color go? I loved Reggie Roby and Ali Haji-Sheikh.

Steelers have the rare black punter.

Black coach
Black punter

They're the best.

Better when they had a gay, black quarterback….

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Augie

Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:03 am

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Based on Bernstein's Twitter feed, this will be Penn State all over again for him.

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Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:11 am

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Augie wrote:

Based on Bernstein's Twitter feed, this will be Penn State all over again for him.

Kap and Hood are all over it too.

Only question is where will the Brian Flores statue be built?

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Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:15 am

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Augie wrote:

Based on Bernstein's Twitter feed, this will be Penn State all over again for him.

Link?

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:16 am

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Augie wrote:

Based on Bernstein's Twitter feed, this will be Penn State all over again for him.

The Vikings are responsible for this. It's sad they're going to hire Harbaugh instead of a black guy I've never heard of. How many chances does Harbaugh deserve?

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Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:17 am

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Augie wrote:

Based on Bernstein's Twitter feed, this will be Penn State all over again for him.

When Bernstein and DiCaro are on your side, it's not a good sign for your argument.

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Augie

Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:30 am

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Nas wrote:

Augie wrote:

Based on Bernstein's Twitter feed, this will be Penn State all over again for him.

The Vikings are responsible for this. It's sad they're going to hire Harbaugh instead of a black guy I've never heard of. How many chances does Harbaugh deserve?

I think you're onto something.

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Tall Midget

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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:31 am

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It is fascinating to see the media seemingly unanimously promoting the idea that Belichick hearing that Daboll would be hired before Flores' interview took place confirms that the Giants behaved in a discriminatory manner. There is no evidence or logic to support this view.

Additionally, the media repeating the notion that Flores was "forced" to endure a "humiliating" interview for a job search whose outcome was predetermined is equally puzzling. If Flores knew he wouldn't be hired, why did he participate in this charade? Why would he willingly be an agent of his own humiliation?

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:37 am

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Augie wrote:

Based on Bernstein's Twitter feed, this will be Penn State all over again for him.

anyone going to point out the uncomfortable hiring specifics of his radio station

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Nas

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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:40 am

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man of few opinions wrote:

I wonder if the Rooney Rule ever actually led to anyone being hired that otherwise wasn't going to get hired in the first place. Was there ever a Rooney interview that made a teams ownership completely change course and hire a minority they didn't already intend to hire?

Tomlin is one. Others set themselves up to be hired in the future. The rule isn't designed for teams to hire minority candidates. I don't have a problem with the rule.

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:42 am

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pittmike wrote:

Jaw Breaker wrote:

Brick wrote:

The NFL should create a rule to try and increase the amount of white cornerbacks.

And where did all the kickers of color go? I loved Reggie Roby and Ali Haji-Sheikh.

Steelers have the rare black punter.

Who is the guy who has a steroid right arm and a tiny left arm?

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:45 am

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Nas wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Nas wrote:

He can do what he likes. Complaining that he didn’t get a job is kind of silly but maybe he’ll go on to great success as a result of suing every potential future employer.

Strategically, it's career suicide. MANY don't believe that he has a legitimate argument though. Maybe he doesn't personally have a legitimate argument, but I think his general point has some validity.

I think he's also going to get himself sued for defaming those Broncos execs by name. They have a pretty detailed account of the interview that evidences something contrary to his statements and that "They got drunk the night before" is so speculative and damaging that it has to have a response.

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:50 am

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Nas wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Wait until you guys find out how MANY black head coaches there are coaching the 100+ D1 college football teams!!!

Not many? 14, 15 from a quick google?

It’s kind of begging the question as to what’s the right number of black coaches.

I don't think that it has to be 70%. I just think 3% in a league with high turnover is off.

Edit: I have no idea if the turnover rate in elite college football is as high as the NFL.

Way off

the league acknowledges that itself on the macro but then the individual decisions all end the same

The Bears had their thumb on the scale to hire an african american head coach and still didn't even put one as a finalist.

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Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:53 am

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good dolphin wrote:

Nas wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Wait until you guys find out how MANY black head coaches there are coaching the 100+ D1 college football teams!!!

Not many? 14, 15 from a quick google?

It’s kind of begging the question as to what’s the right number of black coaches.

I don't think that it has to be 70%. I just think 3% in a league with high turnover is off.

Edit: I have no idea if the turnover rate in elite college football is as high as the NFL.

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:56 am

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Nas wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Wait until you guys find out how MANY black head coaches there are coaching the 100+ D1 college football teams!!!

Not many? 14, 15 from a quick google?

It’s kind of begging the question as to what’s the right number of black coaches.

I don't think that it has to be 70%. I just think 3% in a league with high turnover is off.

Edit: I have no idea if the turnover rate in elite college football is as high as the NFL.

He was so boring a candidate, I forgot he was a finalist.

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Post subject: Re: Flores Lawsuit! - Now its Own Thread

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good dolphin wrote:

Augie wrote:

Based on Bernstein's Twitter feed, this will be Penn State all over again for him.

anyone going to point out the uncomfortable hiring specifics of his radio station

That may turn into a ‘can you be racist against Jews’ talk and nobody wants that.

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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:57 am

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Tall Midget wrote:

Hub laid this out on SCR on P&S yesterday pretty well. There is no there there.

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Nas

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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:57 am

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Tall Midget wrote:

Why? The media also didn't push back on the Dolphins effective smear campaign. This is a clicks story that will be gone fairly soon.

Flores wouldn't be the first minority candidate who interviewed that knew he wasn't going to get the job. MANY hope to hit a home run like Tomlin or simply get the practice to set themselves up for future opportunities. The Rooney Rule affords them that.

I think it's hard to dispute his general point is valid even if it doesn't apply to him. As others have mentioned, his real beef is with the Dolphins

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good dolphin wrote:

Augie wrote:

Based on Bernstein's Twitter feed, this will be Penn State all over again for him.

anyone going to point out the uncomfortable hiring specifics of his radio station

sssshhhhh

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Nas wrote:

pittmike wrote:

Jaw Breaker wrote:

Brick wrote:

The NFL should create a rule to try and increase the amount of white cornerbacks.

And where did all the kickers of color go? I loved Reggie Roby and Ali Haji-Sheikh.

Steelers have the rare black punter.

Who is the guy who has a steroid right arm and a tiny left arm?

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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:59 am

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KDdidit wrote:

I was pretty vocal about questioning the Flores hit pieces mysteriously coming out after the firing.

Yes....and it all looks like a media spin job pushed by Ross and Dolphins.

I don't think Flores is wrong here, but he got smeared pretty bad and is likely missing that whole evidence thing.

Still....this should be a wake up call for the NFL owners....you best be fixing this shit.

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If the league could suspend Payton a full year for Bountygate, what's appropriate for Ross trying to pay to tank a full season?

And the Maras look like buffoons, as usual.

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Florio on with Bernstein suggesting this should lead to a change in the draft. He’s got a bunch of bad ideas on how to accomplish that.

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Regular Reader wrote:

If the league could suspend Payton a full year for Bountygate, what's appropriate for Ross trying to pay to tank a full season?

And the Maras look like buffoons, as usual.

If they prove that Ross wanted to pay the coach to lose he should be forced to sell the team.

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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:23 am

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Tall Midget wrote:

Additionally, the media repeating the notion that Flores was "forced" to endure a "humiliating" interview for a job search whose outcome was predetermined is equally puzzling. If Flores knew he wouldn't be hired, why did he participate in this charade? Why would he willingly be an agent of his own humiliation?

Plus, I think Leslie Frazier had already interviewed with them (maybe twice?). The Giants must have really been focused on following the rules!

People also don't realize there are other reasons you might want to interview someone even if you have a candidate picked out in your mind. Maybe you want to get inside info on the guy's prior team. Maybe you want to get to know him for future openings. Maybe the guy impresses you so much you reconsider your choice.

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