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I often wondered what percentage of a play is success is determined by which play is called. I suspect there are far bigger determinants, namely execution and personnel. I bet most plays can work if the offense executes it correctly and/or the personnel is superior.

I believe the parameters you've listed are interconnected rather than separate measurables. Good play calling in large part means making use of your players strengths and to some degree hiding their weaknesses.

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I often wondered what percentage of a play is success is determined by which play is called. I suspect there are far bigger determinants, namely execution and personnel. I bet most plays can work if the offense executes it correctly and/or the personnel is superior.

I believe the parameters you've listed are interconnected rather than separate measurables. Good play calling in large part means making use of your players strengths and to some degree hiding their weaknesses.


Let me pose it a different way. If you gave Andy Reid the Bears 2021 offense, and Lazor/Nagy the 2021 KC offense, how much better would the Bears be and how much worse would KC be?

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Trevor Siemian visited halas hall for some reason.... what role a bad 30 year old QB could play on this team... im not sure
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Trevor Siemian visited halas hall for some reason.... what role a bad 30 year old QB could play on this team... im not sure


I'll give him this much: Poles really knows how to reel in big names. I wonder if Jordan Howard is next.

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Armstead to Dolphins. Poles continues to do nothing
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The play action game should be deadly with a mobile QB like Fields, poor play design and play calling killed them last year, especially the odd shotgun play action crap they kept trotting out where Mustipher or Daniels would get blown up and the DT was in the backfield, or the RT would completely miss his block which allowed the backside pursuit to get there before Fields could look downfield.

Of course, Fields held the ball way too long trying to hit the home run and passed up on easy checkdowns, but they should be able to coach him up, if he doesn't respond to what should be at least competent coaching they have plenty of assets next year to move on, but that is what this year will be about, brutal roster decisions based on lack of production. Will really be curious to see how the often disinterested Eddie Jackson responds to the hustle, play physical, and play to the echo of the whistle stuff the new defensive coaching staff preaches. They have already moved on from several high paid vets that frequently took plays off, or ignored gap assignments in the pursuit of stats.


The new offensive coordinator, Getsy, has never called plays, at any level, ever. Why are we just assuming that the play calling will be better? We don't know.


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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.

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Armstead to Dolphins. Poles continues to do nothing




So far I’m doing my best to take a ‘wait and see’ approach with all this to give things a chance to play out.. still I can’t help but notice he’s done what seems to be very little to help the team while also seemingly weakening the team (losing Pat O’Donnell who wouldn’t have costed much to keep has an odd feel to it.. and it strengthens a costly weakness to a division rival in GB)


What I’m saying is, while I understand some people’s frustrations in here with your negative attitude.. I kind of get where you’re coming from too.


That said, this hasn’t really been a gold mine free agency and not a whole lot of this matters.. yet. So, I’m going to continue to be as patient as I can with the process. But I do get it man

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.




Everything I’ve seen (and read in articles) seems to suggest he doesn’t like a single thing on this roster.

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.




Everything I’ve seen (and read in articles) seems to suggest he doesn’t like a single thing on this roster.


It certainly appears that's the case. I would expect that Jackson and Quinn will be gone next. I believe the Bears get more salary cap relief if they wait until June 1 to jettison Jackson; they get even more cap room if they can trade him after June 1.

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


Or use our MANY early draft picks and cap space to build around him.

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Armstead to Dolphins. Poles continues to do nothing




So far I’m doing my best to take a ‘wait and see’ approach with all this to give things a chance to play out.. still I can’t help but notice he’s done what seems to be very little to help the team while also seemingly weakening the team (losing Pat O’Donnell who wouldn’t have costed much to keep has an odd feel to it.. and it strengthens a costly weakness to a division rival in GB)


What I’m saying is, while I understand some people’s frustrations in here with your negative attitude.. I kind of get where you’re coming from too.


That said, this hasn’t really been a gold mine free agency and not a whole lot of this matters.. yet. So, I’m going to continue to be as patient as I can with the process. But I do get it man


I don't think he's passed on much. He's keeping cap flexibility for next season, and he's said that he loves the 2nd and 3rd wave of free agency.

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


Or use our MANY early draft picks and cap space to build around him.


It's wait and see at this point.

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.

I dont think we can say that yet. I think he is going to give him a fair shot to show who he is this season. But if things do not go well he appears ready to move on quickly.

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Lots of cap space to extend Roquan and sign other 2nd and 3rd tier free agents.

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/20 ... -shopping/

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.

I dont think we can say that yet. I think he is going to give him a fair shot to show who he is this season. But if things do not go well he appears ready to move on quickly.


Poles has no other choice but to give Fields a shot this year. Thus far, though, Poles doesn't seem concerned with putting him in a position to succeed. Things can change, but I would be concerned right now if I were Fields.

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Simultaneously "tanking" and trying to develop a young QB doesn't seem like the best idea.
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The play action game should be deadly with a mobile QB like Fields, poor play design and play calling killed them last year, especially the odd shotgun play action crap they kept trotting out where Mustipher or Daniels would get blown up and the DT was in the backfield, or the RT would completely miss his block which allowed the backside pursuit to get there before Fields could look downfield.

Of course, Fields held the ball way too long trying to hit the home run and passed up on easy checkdowns, but they should be able to coach him up, if he doesn't respond to what should be at least competent coaching they have plenty of assets next year to move on, but that is what this year will be about, brutal roster decisions based on lack of production. Will really be curious to see how the often disinterested Eddie Jackson responds to the hustle, play physical, and play to the echo of the whistle stuff the new defensive coaching staff preaches. They have already moved on from several high paid vets that frequently took plays off, or ignored gap assignments in the pursuit of stats.


The new offensive coordinator, Getsy, has never called plays, at any level, ever. Why are we just assuming that the play calling will be better? We don't know.


Did you watch the Cleveland game?


Yes, Nagy was terrible. We have no idea if Luke Getsy will be any better.
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Simultaneously "tanking" and trying to develop a young QB doesn't seem like the best idea.


Exactly. And if the Bears are tanking, what does this indicate about their plans for the QB position?

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him

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Are Bears fan ok going 5-12 or 4-13 on long as it's known that they're doing a rebuild?

I think getting Fields mechanics right and getting him NFL ready for reading defenses and running an offense would count as progress regardless of stats.

I heard that another reason Poles took the Bears job was the money. They offered more than the Vikings and other teams that he was talking to. I don't think hiring Eberflus his decision, but Poles likely views him as placeholder during the re-build. I'm also pretty sure that he had to say he was all in on Fields during the interview. Poles is smart enough to not rock the boat on certain things at this point.

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him

Maybe there aren’t any takers for him and his can’t miss performance and resume so far .

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The problems Fields had last year had NOTHING to do with the talent around him. The Bears will be fine if he works on his game.

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to borrow from another team's mantra, he's doing exactly what he told you he would do

The draft is in a month. We'll see what that provides.

Post draft is the second wave of free agency, after teams cut all kinds of veterans who can still play but are either overpriced or pushed out by a rookie.

Keep it cool for a while and see how this plays out

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him


The only Bears he ever mentions are Mooney, Fields, and Roquan. The Fields apologists are fishing for excuses in case he sucks AGAIN this year.

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him


Getting him killed next year isn't exactly great for his long-term prospects either, especially given the number of injury problems he had in his rookie season. If Poles sees Fields as the cornerstone of the time, it would make sense that he would prioritize protecting him.

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him

Maybe there aren’t any takers for him and his can’t miss performance and resume so far .


Maybe. Anyone looking at spending a first on a QB this year would be crazy not to offer it for Fields instead.

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him


Getting him killed next year isn't exactly great for his long-term prospects either, especially given the number of injury problems he had in his rookie season. If Poles sees Fields as the cornerstone of the time, it would make sense that he would prioritize protecting him.


The offseason is only 2 weeks old.

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him


Getting him killed next year isn't exactly great for his long-term prospects either, especially given the number of injury problems he had in his rookie season. If Poles sees Fields as the cornerstone of the time, it would make sense that he would prioritize protecting him.

It should be the priority regardless of who is chucking the rock. Build an great line first and foremost and you don’t need Fields to be great .

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Agree that some are way too pessimistic right now given the state of the roster Poles inherited, there is a ton of heavy lifting to be done to reconstruct the roster, especially offensively.

Poles has them in a position to take on a few big veteran contracts next year, but the days of pouring an inordinate amount of salary cap space on defense are likely over, and if Fields shows he is the guy they will have to keep space open to extend him.
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