I don't see the trade scenarios opening up for the Bears. But I hope I'm wrong.

Anderson will be a good get at 1.

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There are rumors out there that Stroud may return to OSU

I mean in terms of elite arm strength.

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I would be satisfied if they dropped down one spot and got that texans second round pick.

My ony goal out of the draft is to get Anderson. If they can do that and get some lagniappe, all the better. If not, OK

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There will be a team that will be willing to give up a ton to move up and take Bryce Young, it almost would seem like GM malpractice to not take advantage of this rare opportunity to stock up on early round picks.

Indy still makes the most sense given the fact that they have a quality offensive line and the GM is definitely on the hot seat.

There are always guys that skyrocket up or drop a few slots after the combine, but Poles does not seem to be blinded by that stuff like Pace, he seems to be in it for a long rebuild which makes me think he will try to stockpile picks and use them to pick 4-5 guys in the first three rounds that he thinks will be the core of his roster for the next 5-10 years.

If the Texans give up a bunch of draft equity to move from 2 to 1, the gm should be fired immediately, even before he makes the #1 pick.

If he loves a QB, he should get him.

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No, he shouldn’t. Not this year. Somebody will be dumb enough but if it’s the Texans, that’s next-level dumb.

The Texans have spent 3 seasons being next-level dumb, why would 2023 be any different? They are a disaster. So is Indy and so is Carolina. If we can get the Raiders to go into stupid mode, that would be even better.

So many posssibilities!

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The GM should have already been fired after presiding over the shit show that is his roster. For a guy who can't settle on a coach what makes anyone think he can run a draft effectively.

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If any GM identifies a guy that he believes will be a franchise QB, he should do what it takes to get him. That’s job 1. Most other positions have degrees of acceptability. QB changes the direction of the franchise and there are fewer than two dozen guys in the world who can competently run an NFL offense.

And if the GM is wrong, he should be fired.

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Somewhat separately, I think there's something fundamentally wrong with the sport if the success of a 60 person roster or whatever it is depends on the competence of one guy. So now you got basically 26 teams every year stumbling their way through busts and recycled QBs trying to find that one lottery ticket. The lottery winners sneer and laugh at everyone else until their guy blows a knee or whatever and then the cycle repeats itself. I just find this annual QB search everyone engages in to be so damn boring. The offseason is more intriguing in basketball and baseball since if you don't have a QB you can safely assume your team isn't going anywhere, so why even bother paying attention.

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Football is unpredictable in a way basketball isn’t and entertaining in a way baseball can’t be.

Teams like the Lions were fun to watch. They never had a chance of winning anything meaningful but they were pure entertainment. A .500 team in baseball is torture (e.g., the Sox). QB matters for super bowls but unless you’re Danny Bernstein, watching sports isn’t only about championships.

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Owner / Coach / Quarterback in that order.

Tom Brady on the Lions with Matt Patricia as HC isn't winning a Super Bowl, probably wouldn't even make the playoffs.

Not sure about that. There are so many coaches who are thought of as great when in reality they just happened to coach a star QB, with a few exceptions. Look at the common denominator between these coaches:

Reid
Payton
Belichik
Tomlin
Jimmy Johnson
Marriuci
Dungy

Exceptions may be the Harbaughs, Vrabel, Cowher, Kyle Shanahan, etc.

That's why I always think it's a lazy and potentially dumb move to target the OC of some team that has a star QB. I can tell you right now: the OCs for KC, Buffalo, Cincy, etc., ain't doing shit. Obviously Dabbol looks real solid now but I think that's an exception. We know Nagy sucked, Hackett sucked, all Brady OCs sucked as HCs, and so on. When will the league get a clue.

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I would launch Eberflus & hire Ben Johnson today if given the chance.

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That's what I'm talking about. Not necessarily firing Eberflus but looking at OCs/HCs that thrive without game changer QBs. Enormous respect for Vrabel, Shanahan, Carrol, etc.

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No, he shouldn’t. “Doing what it takes” to get a guy cripples a franchise more than it works. There may be a guy you really like where it just doesnt make sense to do whatever it takes to get him. Especially if you are the Texans and colts this year where you already have a top-4 draft pick. Take the best available option and live to fight another day.

Then you’re a middling franchise. You’re either great or out of work. No in between for these people.

It’s akin to the Warren hire. Anybody can make good decisions when they’re safe. No brainers are well vetted before they hit decision makers. Warren didn’t handle challenges well yet he fails upward because he racked up easy wins.

The measure of an executive is getting big things correct. Can’t do that and the fucker should shuffle back to whatever VP role he had before being promoted.

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Interesting theory. Lots of successful teams didn’t gamble and make risky trades to move up and grab a QB at the top of the draft, but if you think that’s the mark of a great gm, you can roll with that.

Reid is the only coach on that list to have success in two cities.

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It was always interesting to hear certain hosts on WSCR go on and on about how little impact a head coach or manager has on a team, but then to rail on and on every day about how the White Sox manager was screwing up the team, that said, it seems in the NFL you must have a quality GM or at the very least talent in your college scouting department to succeed.

There is an obvious gulf in ability/talent in head coaches, guys like Tomlin and Vrabel seem to know how to field a competitive team despite no always having a top end QB, guys like Cap'n Grab Ass Matt Nagy get exposed quickly for having absolutely no idea what they are doing, but team are always looking for the next offensive genius.

Franchises with poor ownership like the Bears seem to have a revolving door at the GM position as they flail around making bad hire after bad hire will maybe have one or two season of success but will always trend toward mediocrity until they make changes at the top.

I'll take Young. You pick another rookie QB. I say Young far outperforms whoever you pick. Do you think I'm wrong?

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Start the Bryce Young vs Will Levis thread.

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Really hoping the Texans fall in love with Bryce Young and feel they need to trade up just to make sure they get him because that opens up the best trade scenarios as you are likely able to trade back twice as the Colts than become increasingly desperate for one of the top guys.

Never thought the tank job would work out this perfectly, but now the heat is on Poles to get this right, he will either go down as the greatest GM in Bears history or go down in flames.

Highly likely that all three of the top rated QBs end up starting next year, along with several other guys picked later, it's just the nature of the league.

Do not share the love Nas has for Levis, but he's better right now than many of the guys that played in the league last week, he will be heavily pursued by the teams that were not able to trade up to the top of the draft.

Not sure if Anderson is still there if you move back to 4, wondering what Poles does at that point.

I don’t think a great GM has to make big trades, just that they find ways to get good players. In this specific case, I think that if the Texans decide Hendon Hooker is the next Peyton Manning and they move up a spot to insure they can draft a generational QB talent, it’s an understandable move.

And unlike Ryan Pace, Caserio should get the axe if he does that and he’s wrong.

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I say the odds of young OR any other rookie quarterback in this draft becoming stars are so long that if the bears or anyone else take Young, I’ll take my chances with the next guy up OR draft a different position with that pick OR trade down to someone blinded by qb lust and acquire more picks and take a qb later on.

If I owned a franchise I would hire a GM who I knew I could trust would take advantage of the desperate style gm you describe, trading the house to move up one spot to choose one of these qbs.

If you stay in top 4, almost have to take Anderson or Carter if they are still there, a few red flags for both, but either one could be dominant in the NFL.

Dropping lower than 4 means you may be looking at one of the OT's or a second tier DT/DE.

Can see taking your C for the next 10 years in the 2nd round, or a significant upgrade at LB.

Liking this Ika kid from Baylor if he's there in the 3rd round.

A slot WR like Downs or Flowers could slide back a bit if you pick up extra picks.

Would love to see Milton from GA is he slips to 4th round, would give you a bigger back, and will need quality depth if you do not bring Montgomery back.

MANY believe Shanahan and John Lynch are great evaluators. They took Solomon Thomas 3rd in the draft and traded 3 first round picks+ for Trey Young. It's all a gamble. You have to be aggressive for your guys.

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