unless you believe Stroud, Young or Levins or whatever is a stud QB, why do you disagree.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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The bears have one of the better running backs in football. Sure, he plays QB, but they have the pieces for a great run game.

Run the ball, play decent defense. You don’t need two high end 1s to be good at defense.

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I guess you're more of a draft for need guy. I'm a draft the best player available person.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

If they found a taker for multiple first-round picks for Fields, it would be hard not to seriously consider taking that, especially if they really like one of the QB's coming out.

If Fields could fetch multiple first round picks, then they wouldn't even consider trading him.

I cannot fathom a situation in which they trade both the 1 pick and Fields. But man that would be crazy. They better be 125% sure that Fields and no QB in this draft class is going to be any good. That is quite the gamble to punt on the most important position on the field.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

That would take a lot of balls. I'm all for it.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Not only are you for it, it was your idea, iirc. Vegan is late on the parallel thinking.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

After all this time, I still haven't heard a good explanation why Fields being able to run like the dickens will make him be able to throw like the dickens.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

It was. I'm cool with sharing it. Hopefully, Poles is thinking the same thing.

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GO BEARS!!!

Not following you. The Bears wouldn't consider trading Fields for a couple first-rounders?

He’s saying Fields isn’t good enough to warrant multiple firsts.

And if he were, you wouldn’t want to trade him.

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Either he's saying he would be too good to trade or they would do it without thinking. I wasn't sure either.

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GO BEARS!!!

If Fields could truly fetch multiple first rounders it means he's an established top 5-7 QB and they wouldn't even think about trading him.

Nah, it would mean you have a target team caught up in “running QB mania”. I don’t think any sane QB is giving up two first rounders for Fields but all it takes is one maniac who over-values running ability in their QB. If the Bears find that maniac they’d be crazy not to consider it.

QB with three years of rookie contract control who has proven quite a bit in the league is worth more than you guys think. People will pay two first round picks for the chance to draft Young/stroud/levis

my bottom line for Fields would be 3 first rounders, because I don't want to trade him

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

LOL don’t worry I think your safe

I like the reasoning. Trade Fields to someone like LV, who will probably suck, for their #1 over the next three years. Then trade the #1 to Indy for their next two #1. If everything really cuts your way, then trade #4 to the Panthers for their next two #1.

Get some hump like Wentz to qb as a tank for next year.

You would have four first round picks next year, two of them most likely in the top 10. You also have another two #1, to ensure you get no worse than Maye but possibly Williams. Now, if you tank well enough and are in the first two spots next year so you don't have to use draft capital to trade, you have 6 first round picks in two drafts with one of them being a HIGHLY touted QB...and two more #1 the following year.

That's failure proof at that point.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

last guy who lol at me in trade talks was Caller Bob when I said Cease and Jimenez for Quintana several months before it happened

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

You could possibly get Williams and Harrison in a same draft

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Sick burn.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Are you predicting the Bears will trade Fields this year before/during the draft? If not then this response makes no sense..

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

Well, the idea would be that defenses would have to dedicate extra resources to his ability to run that would thin them in other areas. And it’s reasonable to admit that Fields doesn’t have elite talent anywhere around him and if one or two of those types of players were added, the results could be drastically improved.


I’d like to make this point by using Justin’s numbers from year 1 to year 2 because it shows that despite having almost identical talent around him he was able to show progress throwing the ball..


His TD to INT’s went from 7/10 to 17/11 in year two.. this despite throwing the ball less per start in year 2 (27 Att. per game under Nagy for a total of 270 att to 21.2 under Getsy for a total of 318). His TD% also doubled going from 2.6 to 5.3 (Patrick Mahomes has had two full years as a starter where his was 5.4 and 5.6 respectively)


His rating also jumped up a bit over 10 points from year 1 to year 2 as well as a small increase in his completion %.


And again, I think this is significant because the talent around him didn’t really improve at all and could even be argued that it was downgraded slightly by losing Allen at WR and Daniels on the line.. and yet, Fields still showed progression passing from year 1 to year 2.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

It should be your eyes and brain that tells that to you. His arm is very strong. He can make all of the throws including throwing on the run.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

He is so elite and capable that he should retire this offseason to ensure he enters the HOF without further damage to his body.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

This page has me more convinced than ever that he’s ultra mobile Jay Cutler.

We’re back to saying he’ll be good because of arm strength and blaming his failures on everybody around him.

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Odd take considering we’re not talking about a veteran QB on his 2nd team headed into his 8th season. We’re talking about a guy headed into his 3rd year who is still developing. It’s also a stretch to say pointing out the lack of talent on the Bears is equivalent to excusing all of his poor play.



Not sure if your post is directed at me or not, if it is it’s wildly inaccurate because I’m in no way shape or form excusing all of Justin’s poor play by blaming everyone else -he certainly has his own shortcomings.


That said, I at least used some data to make my point that he’s improved from year 1 to year 2 as a passer with virtually no changes around him outside of the coaching. Not to mention, I was answering a very specific question another poster asked -not making excuses. Football is the ultimate team sport, so it would make sense that if real legit talent is added around him, his opportunities to improve even more increase, no?

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

He will be the best quarterback in the division next season when given a good offensive line and wide receivers to work with. He has generational quarterback talent. I'm more worried about the ability of the Bear's offensive coordinator to program the offense around his terrific assets.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Poles controls the offseason? That's hilarious. His last two trades he got absolutely swindled on.