That the discussion now is about which adjectives have been applied to old coaches suggests most are right there with you.

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This is why I'm having a hard time figuring out what you mean by "genius" coach. The guys you picked either have national titles or it's the best coach in NCAA history to never win an NCAA title. You are correct that all of them will be in the Hall of Fame but everyone makes the Hall Of Fame. Gene Keady just got in. Ed Cooley may very well make it too.
Since you brought it up, I'll also point out that black coaches have made the Hall Of Fame but it isn't a huge number because it wasn't as common before for non-white guys to be coaches.

Again, your list is just people that have great coaching resumes. It's not surprising that guys with NCAA titles and a ton of Final Fours would be considered better that just about everyone else in the history of the sport.

I gave you one name of a coach who is considered one of the best in the game right now and he has a national coach of the year to prove it and teams were all going hard after him to replace their coach. Jerome Tang was the coach of the year this year too but he's only in his first year of being a head coach so I don't know if he can qualify for your "genius" tag.

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I just gave you an example of how well their assistants did simply by being associated with their "genius". Their assistants were able to parlay their associations into jobs that your guy Ed Cooley could only hope to dream of. You claim that he was in hot demand yet he had to settle for a job that hasn't been attractive in about 20 years.

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John Thompson is in the Hall Of Fame as you used as evidence. Thompson is undoubtedly considered one of the great coaches in NCAA history. He won national coach of the year in two different seasons.

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Yeah and never considered a genius coach either. Neither was Ray Meyer. Also in the Hall of Fame. And I doubt that Ed Cooley gets there either.
Jay Wright is another that is considered a genius coach too. Billy Donovan was also considered a genius when he coached at the college level. Hell the willingness of MANY to still accept him at the pro level is based solely off of what he did in college

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Assistants from programs that win national championships end up getting other jobs. That isn't surprising.

I find it interesting you claim to not watch any college basketball but you also seem well versed in the status of places like Georgetown in the current landscape.

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John Thompson is considered one of the great coaches in NCAA history. I think it's just your perception that he wasn't considered as smart as others.

You keep on mentioning coaches who won national titles as people who are in the "genius" category without realizing that they are in that club because they won national titles.

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I also gave you an example of how the "genius" label translated into top jobs for MANY of their assistants. You can claim that "none of this matters" or you aren't "sure" what I mean, but the people that did the hiring and their legions of fans sure as hell know what I'm talking about.

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I missed it. Who was the coach?

That's a different discussion. Clearly, it was harder for non-white coaches to get head coaching jobs. There is still some of that.

That doesn't mean that John Thompson isn't considered one of the greatest coaches of all time and the fact that you are naming all of these other coaches that were called "genius" that also have national titles and the best coach ever to not win a national title doesn't change that.

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Nolan Richardson?

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John Thompson was never given the genius label. He was lauded mostly for being mentor to young black men. Most people believe the only reason he has a national championship is because he happened to coach one of the most dominant bigs that college basketball has ever seen. He also is considered chiefly responsible for losing in both the single biggest upset in college basketball history and the biggest upset in Olympic history.
But let's stay with Ed Cooley for a second.
If Ed Cooley is held in such high regard, then why have the Assistants of Coach K typically been afforded better jobs than the one that he just took? Just Asking A Question

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Are you now arguing that John Thompson isn't actually a genius?



Well, Coach K is arguably the greatest college basketball coach of all time and is no worse than top 5.

I however don't think you are correct that Coach K's assistants have gotten better jobs than Georgetown. Of course Scheyer did as he got to follow Coach K at Duke but that doesn't really count because someone had to get that job. Michigan is a better job than Georgetown. Notre Dame is basically the same job. Marquette is basically the same job too. Missouri isn't as good of a job as Georgetown. Georgetown is a far better job than Northwestern. Now, Ewing was a disaster at Georgetown but the job isn't as bad as Ewing performed.

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Typical Brick move by the way. What I just demonstrated were reasons that MANY never associated him with being a genius. Which kills your argument.

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Isn't Shaka something like 2-7 in his last 7 trips to the dance?

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Yet you just rolled off about 4 or 5 that are obviously better than Georgetown.

Every job on that list is a better job than Georgetown save for maybe Northwestern. And you left off Stanford and several other schools in which Coach K's assistants have taken jobs. And again if Ed Cooley is the dude then why did he HAVE to take a worse job than the ones afforded to Coach K assistants?

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Not sure what is funny but he was a great coach.

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Do you even think Thompson was a "genius"?

I think he is one of the great coaches of all time in college basketball. If Bill Self is a genius then so is Thompson.

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I'm going to say that LTG (apologies for assuming) is coming from the angle that just because Thompson was great he wasn't considered a genius...similar on how Clark is seen as "gritty/competitor" while Reese is a "thug/unsportsmanlike".

As an aside it was interesting to see Reese tweeting she'd love to be invited to visit the Michelle Obama after Dr. Jill Biden Ed.d floated the idea of also inviting Iowa to the White House since they played so well.

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Really good coach.

not a genius.

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If you can't even acknowledge that Georgetown is a far better job than Northwestern then I'm starting to believe you have no clue about college basketball.

Once again, Coach K is easily one of the top 5 coaches of all time. His assistants, especially when he was winning national titles, are going to get good jobs. Most of them were comparable to Georgetown.

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Might be but it would be more than just perception because the guys that learned under the "genius" coaches also tended to get top jobs too. Thus there is an easily discernible financial component associated with it too. Other than Thompson’s son, which guys sprayed from his "coaching tree" and ever took.a top job anywhere? And even his son had to slum it first by coaching at Princeton.

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And if you don't think Missouri is a better job than Georgetown then you have no clue about College basketball either. That isn't even a conversation.

But it's just not Coach K's Assistants. Pitino's Assistants also have stepped into top jobs over the years too and you thought it stupid to have him on the "genius" list. So have Izzos.

And don't you realize that you aren't really making any sense? You have now been reduced to trying to provide a rationale as to why guys with absolutely no coaching experience or record of success as head coaches are consistently provided with better jobs than the dude you yourself claim is thought of as a genius. Do you not "understand" that this is "counterintuitive"?

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Missouri basketball has NEVER been to a Final Four. They've been to the Sweet Sixteen 6 times in history. Georgetown has been to the Final Four 5 times, and the Sweet Sixteen 11 times. You seem to think that Georgetown basketball is defined by how bad Patrick Ewing was.


This is wrong. You are flat out wrong about Georgetown basketball. I mean, you won't even acknowledge that a school that has 5 Final Four appearances isn't a much better job than one that has 2 NCAA tournament appearances.

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I'm seeing many of LTG's point but gotta agree with Brick on Georgetown - pretty prestigious. That said, that a minority is HC at G-town doesn't necessarily undermine LTG's argument.

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The aforementioned Nolan Richardson. Very interesting and poignant comments by the way.

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Georgetown was irrelevant long before Pat Ewing was coach that is why they made Pat Ewing the Coach. And if Final Four appearances is such the measuring stick of a program's success, then why the non stop bashing of the Illini? They have just as many appearances as Georgetown.

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Ed Cooley has never made the Final Four. Sort of tough to be bestowed with the "Genius" level with this being the case.

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Final Fours are important. Are you arguing otherwise? In regards to Missouri, it isn't close. In regards to Northwestern, it isn't even a discussion. Georgetown and Northwestern being comparable in college basketball is an all time bad thought.

I also wasn't bashing the Illini in the quote below unless you also think I'm bashing Purdue.

I don't think this quote really helps your point. MSU, Villanova, Louisville, and Arizona are also better jobs than Georgetown. UConn is too.

Georgetown does have the national title banner and Illinois doesn't.

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