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Zippy-The-Pinhead

Post subject: Re: Scouting Experts on Caleb Williams

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Nas wrote:

I need to take another look at Daniels and Penix more. I don't get what MANY see in either player, especially Daniels.

Isn’t that Hawger’s guy?

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veganfan21 wrote:

Daniels is getting a lot of love from some of the guys I'm following. My summary of what those guys are saying is he's Justin Fields with much better pocket awareness. That's not an attractive selling point for me but I'm just a messenger

I haven't been able to study analyst appraisals systematically, but anecdotally at least it seems like many scouts rank Daniels as the best passer in the draft.

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I didn't think he saw the field well. I saw a kid who had a lot of time to throw and that was usually looking to run when he did move in the pocket. Unlike Fields, he's a straight line runner. He's not breaking any tackles and he has the body of Danny Parkins. He has a great arm and amazing straight line speed. I'm just not sure if that's enough to be successful in the NFL. Also, I don't see competitor when I look in his eyes.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Nas wrote:

I need to take another look at Daniels and Penix more. I don't get what MANY see in either player, especially Daniels.

Isn’t that Hawger’s guy?

I think so

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Tall Midget wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

I haven't been able to study analyst appraisals systematically, but anecdotally at least it seems like many scouts rank Daniels as the best passer in the draft.

Warner likes him. Simms has Daniels #2 after Caleb. Warner will upload a video about Daniels soon. Simms will upload his rankings today.

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Post subject: Re: Scouting Experts on Caleb Williams

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:16 am

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Nas wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Nas wrote:

I need to take another look at Daniels and Penix more. I don't get what MANY see in either player, especially Daniels.

Isn’t that Hawger’s guy?

I think so

I am a Big Fan!!

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Zippy-The-Pinhead

Post subject: Re: Scouting Experts on Caleb Williams

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:27 am

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Hawg Ass wrote:

Nas wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Nas wrote:

I need to take another look at Daniels and Penix more. I don't get what MANY see in either player, especially Daniels.

Isn’t that Hawger’s guy?

I think so

I am a Big Fan!!

Care to provide a scouting report?

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

Nas wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Nas wrote:

I need to take another look at Daniels and Penix more. I don't get what MANY see in either player, especially Daniels.

Isn’t that Hawger’s guy?

I think so

I am a Big Fan!!

Care to provide a scouting report?

I watched Daniels quite a bit when he played for ASU. He was electric. Throws bombs. Frustratingly inaccurate on some short-medium targets. Sloooww processor. Best win was beating a #6 ranked Oregon team. I remember thinking this Justin Herbert guy stinks :lol:

! Jayden obviously turned from a 4th/5th Round pick into a 2nd/3rd Round pick instantly after transferring to LSU. And now here we are. Look what a real football program can do for a guy. He is a stick though. He weighed somewhere in the 150s when he first got to Tempe. Who knows what he’s at now. I’m rooting for the kid but my guess is he shouldn’t be selected where he gets selected in April.

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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:10 am

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amazing what a couple of first round prospects at WR can do for a qb

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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:13 am

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good dolphin wrote:

amazing what a couple of first round prospects at WR can do for a qb

Yeah, I think that gets lost in the analysis. He's probably going to have a WR drafted in the top 6 and one drafted in the top 15. He's not getting drafted by anyone who has that level of talent.

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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:22 am

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Meanwhile LGB T QB1 has done it with nothing but bums at WR

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Caller Bob wrote:

Meanwhile LGB T QB1 has done it with nothing but bums at WR

Sidekid Rice has some potential. He's probably a 4th or 5th round pick though.

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Hawg Ass

Post subject: Re: Scouting Experts on Caleb Williams

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:33 am

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

Nas wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Nas wrote:

I need to take another look at Daniels and Penix more. I don't get what MANY see in either player, especially Daniels.

Isn’t that Hawger’s guy?

I think so

I am a Big Fan!!

Care to provide a scouting report?

I saw a big athletic, strong armed with also great pocket awareness and then blazing speed if need be. He was really impressive against some good teams too.

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Caller Bob

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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:35 am

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Hawg Ass wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

Nas wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Nas wrote:

I need to take another look at Daniels and Penix more. I don't get what MANY see in either player, especially Daniels.

Isn’t that Hawger’s guy?

I think so

I am a Big Fan!!

Care to provide a scouting report?

I saw a big athletic, strong armed with also great pocket awareness and then blazing speed if need be. He was really impressive against some good teams too.

Sounds like Justin Fields scouting report at OSU

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Hawg Ass

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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:59 am

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Fields has awareness?

Also 40 tds passing and 72% completion percentage.

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Hawg Ass wrote:

Fields has awareness?

Also 40 tds passing and 72% completion percentage.

The 15 TDs against Georgia State helped.

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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:08 pm

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I believe he had the worst numbers against top 25 teams, even with those receivers.

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Caller Bob

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He's was also in College before Fields

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Hawg Ass

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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:14 pm

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Caller Bob wrote:

He's was also in College before Fields

He is 23 and doesn’t turn 24 until December. 13 months older than Williams.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

Fields has awareness?

Also 40 tds passing and 72% completion percentage.

The 15 TDs against Georgia State helped.

They didn’t play Georgia

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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:19 pm

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Nas wrote:

I believe he had the worst numbers against top 25 teams, even with those receivers.

I just looked at the individual games stats, not bad. If it doesn’t matter for Williams, why should it matter for Daniel’s.

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Hawg Ass wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

Fields has awareness?

Also 40 tds passing and 72% completion percentage.

The 15 TDs against Georgia State helped.

They didn’t play Georgia

No, but he did put up a few games’ worth of stats when they murdered Georgia State.

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Simms elaborates on the rankings here: https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/chris-simms-unbuttoned

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veganfan21 wrote:

I'm surprised he has Bo Pennington that him.

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Hawg Ass wrote:

Nas wrote:

I believe he had the worst numbers against top 25 teams, even with those receivers.

I just looked at the individual games stats, not bad. If it doesn’t matter for Williams, why should it matter for Daniel’s.

Because of the wide gap in talent around him. Caleb has great numbers against the top 25.

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Hawg Ass

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

Fields has awareness?

Also 40 tds passing and 72% completion percentage.

The 15 TDs against Georgia State helped.

They didn’t play Georgia

No, but he did put up a few games’ worth of stats when they murdered Georgia State.

And he is first ever quarterback to do that. :lol:

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Hawg Ass wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

He's was also in College before Fields

He is 23 and doesn’t turn 24 until December. 13 months older than Williams.

Doesn't really refute my point. It took him 5! college seasons (and 2 blue chip receivers) to finally get on the draft radar.

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Hawg Ass

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Nas wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

Nas wrote:

I believe he had the worst numbers against top 25 teams, even with those receivers.

I just looked at the individual games stats, not bad. If it doesn’t matter for Williams, why should it matter for Daniel’s.

Because of the wide gap in talent around him. Caleb has great numbers against the top 25.

I think I would still take Caleb over him but I do like him a lot.

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Caller Bob wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

He's was also in College before Fields

He is 23 and doesn’t turn 24 until December. 13 months older than Williams.

Doesn't really refute my point. It took him 5! college seasons (and 2 blue chip receivers) to finally get on the draft radar.

But it was your original point, now you are going all Brick and changing the narrative.

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