10 minutes of the 20 minute speech were spent on the clergy. Women were about 2. He was critical of the gay community, men's leadership, etc. but the only people I hear complaining are women.

I would have been up in arm's about it if I were gay(er).

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Careers were a device used to contrast his view of the ideal.

You don’t have to like the message to understand the point was about family & motherhood in comparison with alternatives.

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Contrary to what some may believe, women aren't passing up on having kids to take orders at McDonald's or put together PowerPoint presentations. They're executives, partners, and even leaders of countries.

For decades, a male dominated society complained about the number of children women were having. After these women were abandoned by an ambitious spouse, they were shunned by a society that didn't want to foot the bill to care for their 3+ kids. Now, MANY female offspring of these women have decided to delay having kids. Instead of having seven, they have one or two.

Historically, it wasn't young women raising the MANY kids. It was grandparents living in the homes with these young women and getting a "do over". Now, grandparents are too young and/or still working themselves. Every woman doesn't have a multi million dollar spouse to pay for nannies like the Butker family does. Every woman doesn't have a spouse who earns enough to take care of the entire family. That means women have to work. That means an expensive daycare is the only option if they're having more than one child.

Also, a biological woman taking part in a Hallmark celebration doesn't mean that she believes being a mother is the greatest thing that's happened to her. There are a lot of men that celebrate Father's Day, even though their only contribution was having sex and having a sperm cell beat enormous odds.

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Because everyone doesn't have your world view, Archie Dolphin. You're welcome to be critical of his statements regarding the gays or anything else he spoke on.

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I agree as well.

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So people got upset because his wife finds her deepest meaning in life comes from giving of herself for her family?

Why are her feelings open to debate?

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Thanks for the permission Nas Jefferson

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We're moving on up. A $140M contract can buy a lot.

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but seriously, what's my world view in relation to this? That having and raising kids is incredibly important. That's the world view of every organism from the single celled on up throughout the history of history.

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You can simplify it if you like; however, I think your perception of what role women should play is incorrect in our current society. Honestly, I think women have always been as ambitious as they are now. In the past, they succumbed to the pressure society put on them. In a lot of cases, they were the brains behind a lot of successful men.


Even with significant advancements in medical tech, the world's population is going to decline in less than a century. American society no longer demands 5+ kids. Because of resources and other demands, there was always going to be a population cap. Therefore, a woman pursuing her career goals and having a child later in life shouldn't be a big deal.

If motherhood is a woman's greatest accomplishment, I have no issue with that. Like me, I suspect you enjoy being a father and you consider it to be a significant responsibility. Others may not. They may consider financial success or their activism to be more significant or important. That should be okay as well.

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Sure, but if you don't prioritize your parenting, society itself falls apart.

My perception...I married an engineer. I think women can play every role. A woman can be a mother and X, just like I'm a father and X.

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Historically, I don't think young women generally prioritized parenting. Grandma's and grandpa's were there to do the heavy lifting. They had the experience and were at a point in life where they embraced that role. Instead of the grandparents or nannies, thr daycares and educators are filling those roles today. I don't know for certain that it's a negative.

I don't understand why you would push back on the women and people who disagreed with his views on being a homemaker. On some level, all domestic roles can be shared. I say this as someone who convinced Lady Nas I to stay home because of my earning potential and fear of a baby being in daycare.

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I push back because he said women could have it all: professional titles, academic degrees, successful careers. He never said they couldn't or shouldn't have professional aspirations.

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Yeah, I don't think he was saying that. The women who are able to conceive already know they can have a career and family. MANY working women already have both. There would have been zero reasons to share that known knowledge with anyone.

I hope I'm alive and physically capable of enjoying grandchildren. I don't suspect I will be seeing any for more than a decade. I'm perfectly fine with that.

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You don't think people need to be reminded about priorities. You are a better man than I.

Save the last dance for me

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Having children isn't a priority for everyone. We have members in our community who decided not to have children. Some have physical issues. Others don't want the responsibility. I also know people (Not in this community) who want their genetics to die with them because of issues they have/had with their family.

Any woman who desires the role of biological motherhood understands the priorities that come with that responsibility. For a variety of reasons, some may not be good at it, but I think all understand the priorities that come with being a parent.

Besides, he would have addressed both parties if it were solely about balancing life with the priorities of being a quality parent and caregiver.

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He did

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Again, for the 434th time that I've said it here...Unionize the country. So much bullshit .... just goes away. Capitalist collective bargaining. Power negotiating with power. I love Elon Musk's brain, I'd give it a blowjob, but he doesn't get to demand a $54 billion payout. Not until his workers can be a one income household IF they so desire.

It's not about liking or disliking the message. It is about the obvious part of his speech which did say that your life doesn't start until you become a homemaker. It may be correct.

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I guess technically he did allow his wife to have professional aspirations.

I say all of this to you because I’ve seen it firsthand how much happier someone can be when they disregard the outside noise and move closer and closer to God’s will in their life. Isabelle’s dream of having a career might not have come true. But if you ask her today, if she has any regrets on her decision, she would laugh out loud without hesitation and say, “heck no.”

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If it’s obvious you wouldn’t have to universalize an anecdote he told about his wife.

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I didn't include the previous paragraph but now I have to in order to show that this wasn't simply him giving an anecdote about his wife.

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“Life truly started” is a clear reference to his wife’s POV. You can bold whichever passage you like and it’s not going to change that fact.

It’s ok if you don’t agree with his opinion.

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It probably doesn't hurt when your husband has millions of dollars and can pay for whatever assistance is needed. I don’t think most people love working. Anyone who does is probably old as fuck and don’t care about the money. Or they're one of the lucky people who earn a living doing what they're passionate about.

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So what was the diabolical lie that he referenced immediately before the anecdote about his wife?

I like how you think it was just a story he thought was cool about his wife but it should have no meaning to anyone in the audience.

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I like how you think his point was that any woman who doesn’t immediately quit work, get married and have children is a waste of life.

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What was the diabolical lie?

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Diabolical lies. Plural.

In context I assume the lies have something to do with the idea that there’s something inherently bad or inferior about homemaking. Or that there are more important things to do than having/raising children. Or that women like his wife will end up unhappy. Idk.

The broader point seemed to me that there are a number of things inside & outside the church pulling people away from what he believes is a life that will lead you closer to God.

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