Whats your opinion on this, do you think the great ones can?


My personal take is that it depends, I've seen Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady fold in games where their O-line fell apart while I've also seen cats like Aaron Rodgers light the league up behind poor line play. I think its circumstantial.





Ok, thats fair but I did also provide details on why I felt that way. For example, Caleb is the same size as Mahomes. I also pointed out that batted down passes aren't mutually exclusive with being 'short' and there are metrics that prove that. As for his performance against ranked opponents? It certainly wasn't a deciding factor for Mahomes at the next level when he struggled just as much against certain competition.


Keep in mind there are those who will also discredit players that come from successful programs too saying that they were only good because they were surrounded by so much talent. Fields fell into this category and I defended him when people brought it up.


I could go on, but the point is I don't typically make generalized or sweeping statements (unless live in a game thread where emotions are running high lol).





I have a different opinion of this -I dont think his outburst was as personal as you may think. I think its more that he's tired of being in this situation, with Carolina, with the Bears last year.. and yet again in another developmental year with the same team. After all he was quick to sign this off season without trying to tie things up and reset the WR market like most other players of his caliber do. I dont think he has a personal problem with Caleb, I think he wants to win already and is frustrated that he continues to wind up in these developmental windows with teams.

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Brick are there any posts that you have ever made which attributed Justin Fields sacks to the Offensive Line? Just Asking A Question

As far as Caleb goes it's not about his record against good college teams. It was about his performance. He played bad

He's not to blame for all the sacks. No QB is.

If the line was as bad as you say it is his duty to throw it quicker.

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Mahomes had some rough performances too, not just losses. BTW, Mahomes isn't even the only example I could use. Tom Brady for example could never consistently break into the starting line up for Michigan and was used in rotation. There are of course more examples I could use but I think the best point to try and make here is that past success or failure in certain situations at the last level aren't always the best indicator of future successes or failures at the next.


Theres a lot of complexity that goes into a team sport like football. Its why theres no formula that has been tried and true for finding QB's at the next level. Whoever figures it out will become a billionaire.

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As stated previously there are other metrics to support that the line sucked. Interesting Caleb was sacked 7 times last week. Is there anything from you which said that he needed to "throw quicker" Just Asking A Question

He's playing poorly. The signs are there.

He's not overmatched physically. Look at his rushing stats.

He took some bad sacks though. Experience will help that some.

He's playing poorly. The signs are there.

He's not overmatched physically. Look at his rushing stats.

He took some bad sacks though. Experience will help that some.

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A "Sorry I was wrong" would have been better there.

I've seen hundreds of dicks in my life.

Regardless of the sport how you perform against better competition is a tremendous indicator of the type of player you will be. Definitely a better indicator than when you do nothing but slay bums.

And again his height matters. Which is why his passesget tipped and why he will struggle passing from the pocket.

Not from college QB to NFL QB it isn't. If what youre saying was true Alabama and Georgia would be NFL QB factories. Many QB's that have gone on to be great in the NFL got beat up in college by better teams. Its a team sport, and the formula youre trying to use here doesnt work as an indicator for NFL success. If it did work, no one would ever miss on drafting QB's.. but they miss all the time.





Explain why Patrick Mahomes doesn't have issues then -hes the same height roughly as Caleb. Explain why Aaron Rodgers who is close in height to Williams doesn't have issues with it


Explain why one of the shortest QB's in the NFL from 2019-2022 Drew Brees was the best in the NFL at not getting passes batted including going an entire season without a single batted pass (over 500 attempts)

Explain why Justin Fields and Cam Newton were amongst the worst in the NFL in % of passes batted during that same period.


Explain why Caleb didnt have any passes batted down against Houston despite having more pass atempts from the pocket and despite being under more pressure


There have been studies on this, metrics exist to evaluate it and the conclusion is that height isn't much of an indicator for these types of things. And I'll also reiterate that Caleb didn't have any problems with this in college either -and many of his pass attempts came from the pocket.

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Caleb Williams
After clinching the title of offseason champions, the start to the Bears’ actual season has been dispiriting. An offense expected to deliver fireworks has sputtered. Meanwhile, Chicago have been forced to watch as Jayden Daniels sets fire to secondaries and Justin Fields guides the Steelers to a 3-0 record.

But any sense of panic should be muted. Caleb Williams may have arrived in Chicago with plenty of hype, walking into one of the best situations in a long time for a No 1 overall pick at quarterback. The Bears surrounded their young QB with a glitzy receiving corps. They invested heavily in their offensive line. On the other side of the ball, they returned the bulk of a defense that cracked the top-five by the end of last season. But teething problems were to be expected.

The early returns have been scattershot. Williams has made poor decisions. At times, the game has moved too quickly for him. His accuracy has been up and down, and he’s been anxious to break away from the offense to try to create. But even amid the early hiccups, there are the flashes of the player that Williams will hopefully become. So far, his offensive line has been a sieve, pushing him to indulge his freelancing habit. If that tightens up even slightly, then Williams will be able to distribute the ball around more effectively.

That early August optimism may have faded and the rest of the roster may be further away from playoff contention than anticipated. But as it relates to Williams, Chicago should heed the words of a former foe.

Panic level: 2/10

Oliver Connolly via Yahoo telling me to R-E-L-A-X which makes me feel better.

But he also tells me the Bears "invested heavily in their offensive line."

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-panic-inde ... 30602.html

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He was woefully inefficient against a team and defense that sucks ass. Not to mention incredibly inaccurate. And regardless of what most revisionists suggest now, very few saw this coming.
Final chapter is nowhere near being written, but the early returns haven't been good.

Williams completion percentage in each of the last two games is better than Fields career completion percentage.

You know Fields, the guy you wanted the Bears to keep, was even more inaccurate.

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You had Caleb Williams to be the better player by now. Newsflash. He ain't

You keep on repeating this but I don't remember it

That's why I asked.

I think you'll be proven wrong fairly quickly on that.

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Perhaps this will refresh your memory some

He's getting rid of the ball in 2.3 seconds. That may have something to do with the pocket being clean. It's how Brady and Burrow survived when they had questionable lines. Both had running games though.

It's been 3 games.

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I know Mike Martz is a polarizing figure but I found him somewhat interesting on a recent Danny Mac podcast.

Martz is all in on Caleb, he blames the slow start on the o-line, coaching, and the fact he is just a rookie.

As an aside, also some interesting comments on Cutler and Mike McCaskey.

https://youtu.be/_16KOD6TIA4?si=FvYx6-XqBMBejvd4

Are you stoned or pissed off, or both, when you create these postings?

It's been 3 games.

I've seen hundreds of dicks in my life.

Its true, there are many plays where Williams wastes no time airmailing the ball directly to an opposing defender.

I've seen hundreds of dicks in my life.