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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:11 am

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Brick wrote:

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Here’s what we know right now. Two of the ten best quarterbacks in the NFL were available to the Bears the last two years (I actually think CJ Stroud might be a tad of the o-word, but most people agree he’s one of the ten best) and both times the Bears passed on them to get Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams is not one of the ten best quarterbacks in the NFL right now, he’s not even in the top twenty, he’s probably worse than most team’s backups (including the Bears) at this time.

If you cannot cope with these facts as a Bears fan fine, but don’t expect the rest of us to indulge your delusions.

This is the best QB play we’ve seen since Cutler, and probably better, as Cutty was a see-the-guy-open kind of thrower.

The TD throw to Moore and the seam to Kmet were throws no Bear QB would’ve made. It’s week 4 and he didn’t do anything egregiously stupid. He’s improving every week and nothing about it is gimmicky.

(Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's Pro Bowl year is the standard for the Bears. It's a shame it was only one year.

Statistically it is, but you could see his computer didn't work well and he couldn't recognize a zone to save his life. He was also mentally fragile.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

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More inane thoughts courtesy of Brick

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Williams can throw the ball and Fields can't but Williams has been a turnover machine as rookies often are.

Fields has thrown for more yards on 40 fewer attempts and avg 2 yards more per completion than Caleb and also has a higher completion % yet Caleb "can throw" and Fields cannot. Ok :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:14 am

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I beg Bears fans to just Google “Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky 2018 Tampa Bay” and watch him. Realize that even that wasn’t really good enough to sustain and think about how far Caleb Williams has to improve to get to that level. It’s not realistic.

Maybe many years from now he’ll have a Baker Mayfield outcome, but like Baker he will need to be seriously humbled before that can happen. He will never succeed in Chicago. Its fucking over.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:15 am

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

"Keep your stupid football thoughts to yourself...and also Justin Fields had two good games in a row last year! That proves he's a competent passer!"

EDIT: 2 fumbles yesterday as well.

You play golf. Keep in mind that it was just a week ago that "Tee Time" was proclaiming how well Caleb played despite the fact that he had 3 turnovers.

Stick to caddying clown

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:20 am

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USA wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

USA wrote:

Mitch made those throws and many better. Fields easily could make them too. Its nothing special, you just want it to be.

lol Mitch never made throws like that, are you nuts? On both of those throws Williams made Mitch's wobbly wounded duck gets picked, and Fields overthrows both by a considerable margin.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:22 am

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USA wrote:

I beg Bears fans to just Google “Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky 2018 Tampa Bay” and watch him. Realize that even that wasn’t really good enough to sustain and think about how far Caleb Williams has to improve to get to that level. It’s not realistic.

Maybe many years from now he’ll have a Baker Mayfield outcome, but like Baker he will need to be seriously humbled before that can happen. He will never succeed in Chicago. It’s fucking over.

I agree that the one game against Tampa was fun to watch.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:23 am

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

"Keep your stupid football thoughts to yourself...and also Justin Fields had two good games in a row last year! That proves he's a competent passer!"

EDIT: 2 fumbles yesterday as well.

You play golf. Keep in mind that it was just a week ago that "Tee Time" was proclaiming how well Caleb played despite the fact that he had 3 turnovers.

Stick to caddying clown

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:25 am

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USA wrote:

Did you workshop this? It feels like you're putting out a lot of effort, but not getting many bites. If it means anything to you, I would have taken the bait if I didn't know it was you and it was a little bit subtle.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:27 am

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Nas wrote:

USA wrote:

I beg Bears fans to just Google “Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky 2018 Tampa Bay” and watch him. Realize that even that wasn’t really good enough to sustain and think about how far Caleb Williams has to improve to get to that level. It’s not realistic.

Maybe many years from now he’ll have a Baker Mayfield outcome, but like Baker he will need to be seriously humbled before that can happen. He will never succeed in Chicago. Its fucking over.

You suck. Workshop that shit.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:28 am

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USA wrote:

This one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VffqbVrvKAc

I'm not saying it wasn't a great performance by Mitch, but please identify a single one of those throws that was on par with Caleb hitting Moore for the TD or Kmet up the seam. I'm pretty confident in saying that Williams could make each of the throws in that highlight reel, but Mitch couldn't make either of the ones Williams did yesterday.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:29 am

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Nardi wrote:

Nas wrote:

USA wrote:

I beg Bears fans to just Google “Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky 2018 Tampa Bay” and watch him. Realize that even that wasn’t really good enough to sustain and think about how far Caleb Williams has to improve to get to that level. It’s not realistic.

Maybe many years from now he’ll have a Baker Mayfield outcome, but like Baker he will need to be seriously humbled before that can happen. He will never succeed in Chicago. Its fucking over.

You suck. Workshop that shit.

At least I'm consistent in my suckage.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:30 am

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:

USA wrote:

I agree that the one game against Tampa was fun to watch.

Was Tampa that bad that year or was Nagy actually a decent coordinator underneath all his gimmicky bullshit?

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:32 am

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

USA wrote:

I agree that the one game against Tampa was fun to watch.

Was Tampa that bad that year or was Nagy actually a decent coordinator underneath all his gimmicky bullshit?

They were bad and the league hadn't figured Nagy out.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:33 am

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Mitch also hit open receivers. Something Williams is not really capable of doing more than ten yards downfield.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:36 am

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

USA wrote:

I agree that the one game against Tampa was fun to watch.

Was Tampa that bad that year or was Nagy actually a decent coordinator underneath all his gimmicky bullshit?

I just watched a 5 minute highlight clip to refresh. He was good. Mostly hit wide open guys but did so accurately. Didn’t see any anticipation throws in that 5 minutes so I’ll stand on my point re: Caleb’s processing superiority.

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Hate to tell ya this "Amigo", but that is sort of the essence of how life works.

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:39 am

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As a guy whose Mitch bit evolved into somewhat of a fandom, I really leaned into that performance.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:40 am

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

USA wrote:

Pretty much all of them are as good or better.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:40 am

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Nas wrote:

As a guy whose Mitch bit evolved into somewhat of a fandom, I really leaned into that performance.

I deluded myself into thinking he was better than Mahomes after that. Never again.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:41 am

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:41 am

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Justin Fields had more Highlight plays in yesterday's game than "Generational talent" Caleb has had all season.

https://youtu.be/7uqir-5Wl98?si=2MRympO5D4seCXP8

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:42 am

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

USA wrote:

I beg Bears fans to just Google “Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky 2018 Tampa Bay” and watch him. Realize that even that wasn’t really good enough to sustain and think about how far Caleb Williams has to improve to get to that level. It’s not realistic.

Maybe many years from now he’ll have a Baker Mayfield outcome, but like Baker he will need to be seriously humbled before that can happen. He will never succeed in Chicago. It’s fucking over.

I agree that the one game against Tampa was fun to watch.

Was Tampa that bad that year or was Nagy actually a decent coordinator underneath all his gimmicky bullshit?

Three of those TD's were busted coverages.

5 of 6 were his first read.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:43 am

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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:

He threw designed screen passes with defenders in his vicinity, as is the entire point of designed screen passes. I mean come the fuck on, what are we doing here?

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:44 am

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:

More inane thoughts courtesy of Brick

Brick wrote:

Williams can throw the ball and Fields can't but Williams has been a turnover machine as rookies often are.

Fields has thrown for more yards on 40 fewer attempts and avg 2 yards more per completion than Caleb and also has a higher completion % yet Caleb "can throw" and Fields cannot. Ok :lol:

Why won't Tomlin let Fields throw?

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

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Brick wrote:

The Doctor Of Style wrote:

More inane thoughts courtesy of Brick

Brick wrote:

Williams can throw the ball and Fields can't but Williams has been a turnover machine as rookies often are.

Fields has thrown for more yards on 40 fewer attempts and avg 2 yards more per completion than Caleb and also has a higher completion % yet Caleb "can throw" and Fields cannot. Ok :lol:

Why won't Tomlin let Fields throw?

Why won’t Waldron/Eberflus let Williams throw?

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:45 am

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USA wrote:

Nas wrote:

As a guy whose Mitch bit evolved into somewhat of a fandom, I really leaned into that performance.

I deluded myself into thinking he was better than Mahomes after that. Never again.

I kept screaming about the talent around Mahomes and assumed anyone could learn how to read a zone defense. Oops!

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

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USA wrote:

Brick wrote:

The Doctor Of Style wrote:

More inane thoughts courtesy of Brick

Brick wrote:

Williams can throw the ball and Fields can't but Williams has been a turnover machine as rookies often are.

Fields has thrown for more yards on 40 fewer attempts and avg 2 yards more per completion than Caleb and also has a higher completion % yet Caleb "can throw" and Fields cannot. Ok :lol:

Why won't Tomlin let Fields throw?

Why won’t Waldron/Eberflus let Williams throw?

He's a rookie still learning about the NFL.

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Seacrest wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

USA wrote:

I beg Bears fans to just Google “Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky 2018 Tampa Bay” and watch him. Realize that even that wasn’t really good enough to sustain and think about how far Caleb Williams has to improve to get to that level. It’s not realistic.

Maybe many years from now he’ll have a Baker Mayfield outcome, but like Baker he will need to be seriously humbled before that can happen. He will never succeed in Chicago. It’s fucking over.

I agree that the one game against Tampa was fun to watch.

Was Tampa that bad that year or was Nagy actually a decent coordinator underneath all his gimmicky bullshit?

Three of those TD's were busted coverages.

5 of 6 were his first read.

One was effectively a run play.

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“We’ll just wait until a bad thing happens to worry about something.”

Hate to tell ya this "Amigo", but that is sort of the essence of how life works.

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Post subject: Re: Are You Absolutely Certain That Caleb Williams Will Be

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:48 am

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If (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky played every year like he did that second year we'd have him as the best Bears QB of all time right now.

He regressed especially when Nagy decided he shouldn't run.

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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:49 am

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Brick wrote:

He's a rookie still learning about the NFL.

Doesn’t seem to be an issue for Jayden Daniels. Wasn’t an issue for CJ Stroud last year. Two guys the Bears had every opportunity to draft.

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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:50 am

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USA wrote:

Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:

He threw designed screen passes with defenders in his vicinity, as is the entire point of designed screen passes. I mean come the fuck on, what are we doing here?

I mean he either earned the rating or he didn't by running the plays that were called. They also won the game. I'm not sure what the measuring stick in this town is anymore.

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