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Right, the guy you have in charge of this Bears thing sold the Twin Cities a lemon then dipped out.

You know, these people in Illinois and Chicago government have telephones. They can call people in Minnesota and ask how they feel about Warren’s handiwork there. I’d imagine they get an earful.

Sounds like making a slightly improved version of a stadium that so far has gone really well is a better option than trying to reinvent the stadium design process.

OK, great. Where’s the money for it?


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Right, the guy you have in charge of this Bears thing sold the Twin Cities a lemon then dipped out.

You know, these people in Illinois and Chicago government have telephones. They can call people in Minnesota and ask how they feel about Warren’s handiwork there. I’d imagine they get an earful.

Sounds like making a slightly improved version of a stadium that so far has gone really well is a better option than trying to reinvent the stadium design process.

OK, great. Where’s the money for it?
It depends how much they need and if they get any government help.

But, I've never seen an NFL team ever say "We would have built a new stadium but we're poor so oh well".

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It depends how much they need and if they get any government help.

But, I've never seen an NFL team ever say "We would have built a new stadium but we're poor so oh well".

I don’t know if there is a more alarming answer than that one to the question of “Hey, how are you gonna pay for all this?”, especially for a lender.

As for your latter point, the McCaskeys seems to have found a way to fail where all others before them succeeded. Not uncharacteristic for them.


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I don’t know if there is a more alarming answer than that one to the question of “Hey, how are you gonna pay for all this?”, especially for a lender.
Well, it depends on if it is on the lake or in Arlington Heights. The funding is far different between the two places. Funding in AH will be easy. The NFL will help some but what bank wouldn't give them a loan for something that is a lock to print money with the incredibly unlikely scenario of it "failing" that the bank owns a team they can sell for $6 billion.

But again, when in the history of the NFL has the ability to fund it stopped a stadium from being built? It's not going to happen for the first time with one of the most historic and valuable franchises in the league.

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Article in the Herald today confirmed that any new stadium is just going to be a copy of Allegiant Stadium whether it's on the lakefront or in Arlington Heights. This is the dynamic creativity we expect from the team that has to hire an executive search firm to staff its football-ops department.

Allegiant Stadium is awesome though. What stadium would you base it off of?


Would it be too much to ask to have an original design a la Minnesota? I know Kevin is busy with chair panache levels, but getting a copy of what the Raiders did wouldn't feel good.

The problem is when you do an original design like in Minnesota you run into the fact that it needs $280 million over the next 10 years in repairs to continue to be usable.


Allegiant is original too, does it need repairs?

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what bank wouldn't give them a loan

We are about to be into year four of this saga and the answer remains “all of them”.


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Article in the Herald today confirmed that any new stadium is just going to be a copy of Allegiant Stadium whether it's on the lakefront or in Arlington Heights. This is the dynamic creativity we expect from the team that has to hire an executive search firm to staff its football-ops department.

Allegiant Stadium is awesome though. What stadium would you base it off of?

Seattle

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what bank wouldn't give them a loan

We are about to be into year four of this saga and the answer remains “all of them”.

They don’t even have concepts of a plan to theoretically finance.

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Article in the Herald today confirmed that any new stadium is just going to be a copy of Allegiant Stadium whether it's on the lakefront or in Arlington Heights. This is the dynamic creativity we expect from the team that has to hire an executive search firm to staff its football-ops department.

Allegiant Stadium is awesome though. What stadium would you base it off of?

Seattle

It doesn't have a roof which is kind of important in a place that is cold and snowy 5 months of the year.

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what bank wouldn't give them a loan

We are about to be into year four of this saga and the answer remains “all of them”.


I’m sure they could get a loan if they asked; they would rather get a gift.

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Brick wrote:
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Article in the Herald today confirmed that any new stadium is just going to be a copy of Allegiant Stadium whether it's on the lakefront or in Arlington Heights. This is the dynamic creativity we expect from the team that has to hire an executive search firm to staff its football-ops department.

Allegiant Stadium is awesome though. What stadium would you base it off of?

Seattle

It doesn't have a roof which is kind of important in a place that is cold and snowy 5 months of the year.

Not that important to the people who live in Green Bay, Buffalo, Denver, Boston, New York, Philly, Pittsburgh and Cleveland.


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Isn’t Kansas City the coldest? Chicago, Green Bay, Cleveland and Buffalo all have the lake effect warming. Denver has its unrelenting sun. KC is just brutal.


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Article in the Herald today confirmed that any new stadium is just going to be a copy of Allegiant Stadium whether it's on the lakefront or in Arlington Heights. This is the dynamic creativity we expect from the team that has to hire an executive search firm to staff its football-ops department.

Allegiant Stadium is awesome though. What stadium would you base it off of?

Seattle

It doesn't have a roof which is kind of important in a place that is cold and snowy 5 months of the year.

Not that important to the people who live in Green Bay, Buffalo, Denver, Boston, New York, Philly, Pittsburgh and Cleveland.

Thanks for informing me not all NFL stadiums are domes.

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Brick wrote:
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Article in the Herald today confirmed that any new stadium is just going to be a copy of Allegiant Stadium whether it's on the lakefront or in Arlington Heights. This is the dynamic creativity we expect from the team that has to hire an executive search firm to staff its football-ops department.

Allegiant Stadium is awesome though. What stadium would you base it off of?

Seattle

It doesn't have a roof which is kind of important in a place that is cold and snowy 5 months of the year.

Not that important to the people who live in Green Bay, Buffalo, Denver, Boston, New York, Philly, Pittsburgh and Cleveland.

Thanks for informing me not all NFL stadiums are domes.

No problem, I know you lose your way from time to time in your quest for unique viewpoints.


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Yeah, like a dome is better in the Midwest winter. Very controversial.

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Isn’t Kansas City the coldest? Chicago, Green Bay, Cleveland and Buffalo all have the lake effect warming. Denver has its unrelenting sun. KC is just brutal.

That game in Kansas City last year was awful, but on average I would guess that Green Bay and Buffalo are still quite a bit colder.

I can't understand how any Bears fan could want the team to play in an indoor environment at home. Plastic grass, plastic glass, this whole simulacrum to make you feel as if you're almost outside watching a game people would traditionally play outside, but not outside. There's such a sadness about it, this team that's supposed to be at the heart of the league, playing at a multipurpose conference center upon which a carpet is occasionally rolled out for football games. It's bad enough the Saints play in a cave and they're a tier below the Bears in terms of cachet.

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Isn’t Kansas City the coldest? Chicago, Green Bay, Cleveland and Buffalo all have the lake effect warming. Denver has its unrelenting sun. KC is just brutal.

That game in Kansas City last year was awful, but on average I would guess that Green Bay and Buffalo are still quite a bit colder.

I can't understand how any Bears fan could want the team to play in an indoor environment at home. Plastic grass, plastic glass, this whole simulacrum to make you feel as if you're almost outside watching a game people would traditionally play outside, but not outside. There's such a sadness about it, this team that's supposed to be at the heart of the league, playing at a multipurpose conference center upon which a carpet is occasionally rolled out for football games. It's bad enough the Saints play in a cave and they're a tier below the Bears in terms of cachet.

Because the moment you watch a football game in a dome you wonder why you want to ever watch football in 25 degree weather again.

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Isn’t Kansas City the coldest? Chicago, Green Bay, Cleveland and Buffalo all have the lake effect warming. Denver has its unrelenting sun. KC is just brutal.

Huh?? Kansas City is about 10 degrees warmer than Green Bay every month of the year. :scratch:

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Isn’t Kansas City the coldest? Chicago, Green Bay, Cleveland and Buffalo all have the lake effect warming. Denver has its unrelenting sun. KC is just brutal.

Huh?? Kansas City is about 10 degrees warmer than Green Bay every month of the year. :scratch:

I lived around KC for a few years after having grown up in the Chicagoland. KC gets cold. But it is not the coldest by any stretch compared to those other places.

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Because the moment you watch a football game in a dome you wonder why you want to ever watch football in 25 degree weather again.

"This is the good life," I say, as I kick up my feet and watch the St. Louis Rams go 4-12 in some sort of tomb.

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I get the impression here that the Bears had somewhat delusional aspirations for both the grand scale of the project and the extent that public money would be coming out to support them. At some point you just buy what you can afford, even if it’s not what you wanted.


I think the biggest support for this is the way they went about acquiring Arlington Park. If they had worked the proper backchannels to get a stadium built at minimal private expense (minus bulk purchases of palm grease), I think they probably could have done it. Instead, they just went out, announced that they had just bought 300 acres of land in the suburbs, and that now it was time for taxpayers to give them a free mixed-use development, for they are the beloved Chicago Bears and we owe them that for some reason. Turns out people with presidential aspirations don't like that, and now their only ally in government at a time when they need government assistance is Mayor Hotep.

Even competent sports franchises struggle to pull off these big real estate projects. The St. Louis Cardinals were going to build their own Wrigleyville but topped out at "giant mud puddle" for almost a decade. I think there's a TGI Friday's with condos above it now. Good for them.

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This is so fucked up on so many different levels. They'll end up putting the lid on the toilet seat.


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Because the moment you watch a football game in a dome you wonder why you want to ever watch football in 25 degree weather again.

"This is the good life," I say, as I kick up my feet and watch the St. Louis Rams go 4-12 in some sort of tomb.
I don't base my opinions based on things that St. Louis didn't do well. If I did, I'd never eat pizza.

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Isn’t Kansas City the coldest? Chicago, Green Bay, Cleveland and Buffalo all have the lake effect warming. Denver has its unrelenting sun. KC is just brutal.

Huh?? Kansas City is about 10 degrees warmer than Green Bay every month of the year. :scratch:


Chicago, Green Bay, Buffalo, Cleveland, and Boston are all colder than KC.

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Because the moment you watch a football game in a dome you wonder why you want to ever watch football in 25 degree weather again.

"This is the good life," I say, as I kick up my feet and watch the St. Louis Rams go 4-12 in some sort of tomb.
I don't base my opinions based on things that St. Louis didn't do well. If I did, I'd never eat pizza.

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Because the moment you watch a football game in a dome you wonder why you want to ever watch football in 25 degree weather again.

"This is the good life," I say, as I kick up my feet and watch the St. Louis Rams go 4-12 in some sort of tomb.
I don't base my opinions based on things that St. Louis didn't do well. If I did, I'd never eat pizza.

Yes, we get it, you’re a big Nelly fan.

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Isn’t Kansas City the coldest? Chicago, Green Bay, Cleveland and Buffalo all have the lake effect warming. Denver has its unrelenting sun. KC is just brutal.

Huh?? Kansas City is about 10 degrees warmer than Green Bay every month of the year. :scratch:


Chicago, Green Bay, Buffalo, Cleveland, and Boston are all colder than KC.



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The Browns are officially moving to a dome in the suburbs. Though to be fair it doesn’t look like Cleveland will go down without a fight.


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The Browns are officially moving to a dome in the suburbs. Though to be fair it doesn’t look like Cleveland will go down without a fight.

We can't build housing but we can build football stadiums that replace 25-year-old football stadiums.

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The Browns are officially moving to a dome in the suburbs. Though to be fair it doesn’t look like Cleveland will go down without a fight.

We can't build housing but we can build football stadiums that replace 25-year-old football stadiums.


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Cleveland Browns owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam have confirmed they are indeed focusing on a new domed stadium in suburban Brook Park, releasing a statement yesterday saying, “The transformative economic opportunities created by a dome far outweigh what a renovated stadium could produce with around 10 events per year.” The statement also said that “this stadium will not use existing taxpayer-funded streams that would divert resources from other more pressing needs,” which neatly obscures the fact that it would use $1.2 billion in new taxpayer-funded streams that would divert resources from other more pressing needs. And headlines like “It’s official: Cleveland Browns moving to Brook Park” remain premature, since nobody in state or local government has approved the $1.2 billion in tax money yet, so really we’re still just at “Browns owners’ #1 choice is someone giving them $1.2 billion,” and who wouldn’t want $1.2 billion? I bet you could roll around in it real nice.


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