Agreed. If they even think about giving Orton an extension all the front office should be shot.

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Did you even watch him tonight? How can you have watched that and say he is fine?

He cannot throw a deep ball to save his life. He makes horrible reads and throws way too many INTs lately. He is not fine. He is awful.

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Good NFL QBs do not grow on trees contrary to popular opinion. Orton is fine as far as the list of QBs you could plan on getting next year. They should and need to explore the position in the draft... let the guy ride the pine for a year while you teach him the NFL system and then turn it over to him once you let Orton go next year.

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He was steady and consistent pre-injury. But since he has been back he has been awful. He makes bad reads. He throws INTs. He has happy feet in the pocket. How many times has Hester had his guy beat deep and Orton has under thrown him?

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Orton probably needed at least 2 or 3 weeks off for that injury. I don't think he is anywhere near 100%. He still throws a bad deep ball, but his WRs are shit (Booker, are you fucking kidding me with that drop today?), and his OLine was not very good this evening.

That said, a bad ankle has nothing to do with DBs reading him like a book because he is staring down receivers worse than Grossman did.

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Oh I am sure he will be here next year and the starter. But if they even think about giving him more $$ and an extension, they are clueless.

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They're going to need an extension; his contract is up after the year.

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If he has a good year next year, then you give him a new contract, but you DO NOT do it this offseason like some have suggested.

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I keep hearing conflicting info on the contract. Does anyone have a link or anything? I was under the impression it's up after the year is over.

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http://www.rotoworld.com/content/player ... FL&id=3214

2/25/2008: Signed a two-year, $5.02 million contract. The deal included a $1.4 million signing bonus. Another $1.5 million is available through incentives. 2008: $1.3 million, 2009: $620,000, 2010: Free Agent. Cap charges: $2.1 million (2008), $1.42 million (2009).

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Thanks guys. I stand corrected.

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He's a number 2, with good WR's he'd be more frustrating because he can't throw a deep ball. Not saying you let him go but he's a good back-up and they need to draft a QB in rounds one the first 3 rounds next year or two. The Bears need another good RB, some Wideouts, a pass rushing DE and help in the secondary.

the season he has had this year is the worst thing that could happen, he was just good enough to make some willing to go with him another year, but not bad enough to give up on him. he isnt bad, but his arm strength seems to be a major weakness, he cant get it out there far enough. if he could get another 10 yards on his throws, he could be pretty good.

His career numbers pretty much show him to have below average accuracy...pretty bad considering the conservative game plan.

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Rex Grossman of 2005.

Similar numbers, similar problems, he even hits linemen with passes just to highlight the similarity.

Two weeks in a row of throwing an INT to a LB on the same crossing route speaks a lot towards his football intelligence.

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That's a little unfair. This defense is no where near as good as that year. Moose and Berrian are better than anyone currently on the Bears roster. Devin Hester is nothing like he was at kick returner this year.

Kyle Orton has been bad in 3 out of the last 4 games. However, Rex Grossman's problem was he was not just bad, but he was so bad that teams thought they were more likely to score on defense than offense.

Rex Grossman's bad passer ratings: 0.0, 1.3, 10.2, 23.6, 36.8
Kyle Orton's worst passer rating this year: 39.1

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The Rex Grossman of 2005 sat on the bench for 14 weeks with a broken ankle.

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Who, specifically, is available that you suggest they bring in to be this upgrade?

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No doubt. I think the most glaring difference is the offensive line, as this one is simply brutal. I hear people giving them accolades, simply because their orginal expectations were so low. However, the Bears have just played against three of the lower ranked defenses in the NFL and did not run the ball well for 4 straight quarters.

The recievers are bad though. Think last year how bad many thought the WR corps was...this is significantly worse. I'm shocked that there is a worse group in the NFL, but by the numbers, it looks like there are 3 -4.

I want Orton starting next year. I think he maxes out on talent to the point of being comparable to Jake Delhomme. That is good enough for me.

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I would be happy with somone comparable to Delhomme. I am just not sold on Orton being able to be that guy. I hope they draft a QB in the 3rd or 4th round and maybe we will get lucky on finding a better option down the road.

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Thank you, I was gonna bring up the O-line, too. Of all the needs that the Beloved have, we most definitely need help there. How nice would it be if Orton (or whoever we have @ QB) had all day to throw like seemingly ALL of our opponents do. If we have somebody who can function behind center, I think that we should address our more pressing issues first.

How does a team that needs a QB, has no valid #1 or #2 receiver, needs upgrades at 1 tackle and 2 guard positions, and eventually soon a new center win 9 games? That's not even getting into the defensive needs... What went right that allowed them to win potentially 10 games????

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Coaching?

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Really? Cause reading these threads both coordinators are morons and Lovie is a boob. Seriously coaching has been called a weakness all year too.

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It's because most people watch one football game a week, and that game is the Bears game, so they become intimately familiar with their drawbacks and weaknesses. They then assume that no other 9-6 or winning teams have similar drawbacks.

Football teams don't win 9 games on accident. No team in the AFC or NFC west has yet and they get to play each other (imagine playing the Rams, Seahawks and 49ers twice this season.) Something must be good here.

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Being better than the bad teams does not necessarily provoke me to say that the Bears are great- hey, I just want to see an improvement, because eventually those shitty teams are going to improve, and then we're back to the middle of the pack...

[quote="hackwilson's ribbies
Thank you, I was gonna bring up the O-line, too. Of all the needs that the Beloved have, we most definitely need help there. How nice would it be if Orton (or whoever we have @ QB) had all day to throw like seemingly ALL of our opponents do. If we have somebody who can function behind center, I think that we should address our more pressing issues first.[/quote]

Remember they will have Williams healthy next year. You would hope that would result in an immediate upgrade. If they can get a starting OG out of this draft, the line should be markedly better next year.

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Tait is way too tall to be a guard. D-tackles will bull rush him at the waiste and drive him into the QB or RB.

It's ok to be tall as a tackle cuz you're protecting the edge rushers. Hurts you if you're a guard.

Tackles never become guards in the NFL. It just never happens.

Leonard Davis would disagree.

Robbert Gallery too.

In general you're right, it's a tough transition, and I don't think he has the speed to pull.

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