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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:13 pm 
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DE and WR are equal in my mind. I don't think you can go wrong with either. The problems with the defense stem from a lack of pass rush IMO, and nothing more. They'll need at least one guard and maybe another tackle from somewhere too. I know you're optimistic about St. Clair at guard but I'm not. I'd have to look at tape to make up my mind for sure.

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dominant .


The second time I have been floored by your use of the word in the last day.

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1- QB (if a franchise QB is available. If not wait another year :( )
2- O-line
3- O-line
4- Safety

I think the d-line may improve with Rod Marinelli in the mix.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:07 pm 
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1- QB (if a franchise QB is available. If not wait another year :( )
2- O-line
3- O-line
4- Safety

I think the d-line may improve with Rod Marinelli in the mix.


Any priority list that does not have WR in the top 4 is wayyyyy off.

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Nas wrote:
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The second time I have been floored by your use of the word in the last day.


:lol: You didn't like the way St. Clair pancaked guys when he wasn't on an island?


I just think the guy is a product of low expectations.

By the way, he is a FA and said he expects to start wherever he lands.

I would rather draft on OG and plug him in on the right side...but I have wanted to do that for the last two years.

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They helped him for the first half of the season. Towards the end he was brutal. Their priorities should be o-line, d-line, WR. I'd be willing to put WR as #2 if the defensive unit would start producing.


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We have too many holes to fill, imo. That is way WR is a secondary priority. Pigskin starts in line and ours is marginal at best. If Chris Williams doesn't workout we're really screwed. Tait is done. And we still need guard help. We can get by another year w/out a prime time WR with an upgraded line & Forte. If Marinelli can help our d-line get it's pass rush on we'll be in business.


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Thug wrote:
We have too many holes to fill, imo. That is way WR is a secondary priority.


I agree with too many holes to fill, which is why I would put QB as a secondary priority and a WR as a top priority. Orton and a decent veteran backup will be fine for next year. But Marty Booker, Brandon Lloyd, etc are not going to cut it for another year. Plus, if you upgrade at WR, then it will also help Orton be better while opening things up more for Forte and the TE's.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:40 pm 
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Thug wrote:
We have too many holes to fill.

ok ill tip it in...Thats what she said


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The priorities, in my opinion, are WR and safety. If you can go out and get a TJ or Boldin you go and get them. I think the best fit for the Bears would be Boldin, because of his ability yards after catch ability. He runs the short routes really well, which should open up some the offense for Hester and the likes. I dont know who is available at safety but if I see Daniel Manning back there again I may vomit....


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Oh and the defense was terrible, NEW SCHEME PLEASE. Not likely to happen though just a wish.


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The defense has been on a downward spiral since the Super Bowl season. There is no reason to believe that won't continue.

WR should be #1 priority in both free agency AND the draft.
Then just fill holes as quick as you can.
Find a QB in the draft in rounds 2-4 that you feel can play by year 2 if needed.

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Why not just trade the 2nd pick for a guy like McNabb? Based on the Bears history McNabb is likely to be better than any guy they pick up will be and he is only 32. That gives them a good 5 or 6 years to get something done.


Joe Banner said McNabb will be back with the team next year...I don't think trading for him is an option...


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Why not just trade the 2nd pick for a guy like McNabb? Based on the Bears history McNabb is likely to be better than any guy they pick up will be and he is only 32. That gives them a good 5 or 6 years to get something done.

1) Because there is no way the Eagles would trade him to the Bears. They would send him to some AFC team where he could only beat them in the Super Bowl. Imagine how dumb they would look if they traded him to an NFC team, and that NFC team knocked them out of the playoffs.

2) Because 32 is old for a QB. He's got a lot of mileage on him. We also don't have a good idea on how he would do long term without Brian Westbrook. I'm of the belief that Brian Westbrook is what really made that offense move.

3) I'm not sure McNabb would want to come here. We aren't exactly a dream offense for a QB right now. This changes if we get a quality WR somehow but I think expecting McNabb and a top WR is expecting too much.

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If I were GM, I would;

Try and sign Houshmanzuianaiuiuhazezaih, giving the QB, Orton, a talented reciver he can count on.
Is he a true number one? I dont know, but hes three or four notches better than anyone on the Bears.

Draft Oher, who's stock has dropped considerably and might be there, if not, Vontae should be there, and he's the best player in the draft.

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Nas wrote:
That's fair. I don't completely agree with all of that. We didn't see Westbrook in any game of the playoffs and Forte is above average catching the ball. I'm still of the belief that a good/great quarterback would make the Bears a serious contender if they could also add a guy like Housmanzadeh. I think Orton is good enough to win with but I don't think you could ever win because of him. I thought he had the potential to be a better version of Brian Griese but I'm not too sure now. The Bears need a guy that can throw the ball down the field and Orton has really struggled throughout his career doing that. It's not that he doesn't have the arm strength it's he just doesn't have the touch.

No matter who is playing QB next year, the WR needs to be upgraded to give any of them a chance. McNabb would definately be an upgrade.

I'm not ready to give up on Orton, but if he doesn't improve his play from last year next year I'll have no reservations about doing it. I'll have even higher standards if Angelo does a good job of upgrading the other talent.

WR and QB both need more production next year. I think everyone agrees with that.

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TJ is a legit #1 but he's 32.
32 on the other hand for a QB means they can play another 3-5 years.


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^ another reason Boldin may be a better choice, he is a little younger...


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With the Packers moving to a 3-4 defense next year it appears that they are
going to have to try to move Aaron Kampman to a LB spot. I don't think he
is going to do very well there. Not sure what it would take, maybe a high
draft pick, but the Bears would love to have that guy at DE and the Packers
need all kinds of help. I know it would be a long shot but I think worth
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he did play in only 12 games this year, but still had 89 receptions and 1,000+ yards. One could make the argument that he gets a lot of receptions because of teams having to have to double cover Fitzgerald, I still think he would be a better option in free agency.


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I believe you are right, I was speaking acquiring Boldin via trade. It seems that Mr. Angelo doesnt always evaluate talent very well, especially on the offensive side of the ball in the first round (excluding Chris WIlliams). He found Forte in the second round so he isnt included, but if you can get a proven WR with that crappy mid first round pick i think you go for it. Now that is best case scenario and not likely to happen but jsut my opinion


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It seems that Mr. Angelo doesnt always evaluate talent very well, especially on the offensive side of the ball in the first round


This is why he needs to go. Most successful teams are built from their drafts not in FA.


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