hahahahaha, ok nas. that is priceless.

they were dead after the safety. they didn't make another drive that did jack shit.

their confidence was totally shot. you could see it in their play.

i'm not reliving this again. i know why they lost. no team in the history of the NFL wins a championship game with 5 turnovers. you can give grossman credit if you want but that is absolutely ludicrous. the bears defense mauled the saints' lofty, finesse and butterfinger handed offense and special teams. made it easy for rex grossman since the saints defense was one of the worst in the league.

WZ go drink a Tyskie and think about Basha. That should cheer you up.

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thanks spmack. i think about her all the time.

Proves me wrong in what way? I'm not saying having a great QB guaranties you anything. All I'm saying is it gives a chance every year. Moreover my greater point was that you hardly if ever see a team win the Super Bowl that doesn't have a star QB. Look Super Bowl 41 was nice for the fans and it was great for the city and I cheered them on even though I didn't think they had a chance in hell. One could actually argue that the Bears getting there actually hindered there growth simply because the team looked at that success and over valued there own players and started paying out big contracts to players that had great seasons that year and have yet to even come close to that since. They used a lot of smoke and mirrors that season. The offense and defense was solid for about 6 games and then they started to look very pedestrian. Even though they won most of the remaining games you could easily see they were flawed. Again as I said they were the best of a bunch of average teams that season and whoever made it from the AFC was going to win.

Let me put it to you this way if you had the chance of getting a potential 25yr old franchise QB or make it to, but get your ass kicked in, one Super Bowl what would you choose?

Also Urlacher is and was great for this team and I'm not trying to diminish his roll and success in recent years. My point is a QB that has the ball in his hands for half the game (or so..) has a greater impact on the outcome of the game than a MIKE LB. Make the QB a star QB and its even a greater impact.

Adding the below to further validate my point, stolen from another thread:

The subtle flip-flopping in this thread is cracking me up.

"This had nothing to do with (insert name here)." "Well if you compare Cutler to (insert name here)...."

"Stats can mean whatever you want!" "Well, if you look at these stats..."

Good stuff!

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Nas, you're overreacting to him having diabeties. You act as though he might drop dead cuz of it. You can control this disease. Especially when you're young. Hell, Santo played baseball every day with it in the 1960s. We have medical advances that make it easier to control it. He just has to have good sugar levels for 3 hours on Sundays. He can do that.

What does that article prove? He didn't know he had it and didn't see a doctor cuz he was stubborn. I saw a piece on him by HBO or ESPN. Once he got diagonosed he got on a diet and is treating it. He's fine. It was 2 seasons ago that he didn't know he had it. That's when he was always tired and lost a lot of weight. He looked very healthy last year.

Is Final Shot 2: The Jay Cutler Story around the corner or something?

Another thing about the diabetes is they are going to get better and better at managing it with him.

I also heard he is already talking to Santo about teaming up on some events or something or other.

I agree with people on the point that we aren't going to be bad enough to be able to draft a franchise QB and then it will be a crapshoot.

It would have been football h e double hockey sticks.

so you would've been ok growing up as a dolphins fan in the 80's/90's with marino; great QB, not winning a thing, going to one superbowl and losing.

personally i'd rather the saints never make the superbowl (which they seem to love to do) than to have them go to one and lose.

I don't buy that for a second Zack. Am I pissed that the Eagles went and lost in '04? Yes, but I'd rather have had them make it that far than lose four straight NFC Championship games. There are some fans that have teams that have never made it that far. That really has to suck....oh wait, yeah...The Saints have never made it.

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most eagles fans i know don't want to remember that super bowl. they don't care that they were just "in it" and if you listen to any philly sports radio, anyone who calls in about the eagles always brings up that last drive. it sickens them.

i have enough sick feelings about the saints. i don't need them to fail at the biggest stage, since they fail at every other one.

it's the same with the cubs. if they make the world series, they have to win it.

Yes. Getting to the SuperBowl only matters if you win. Being the first looser is good for what?? How do you think Bills fan's feel? The chances of us getting to and WINNING a Super Bowl are now greater with Cutler than they were with Orton or any of the other stiffs before him. Marino was a one man show for many years and somehow I feel Cutler will never be in that position.

I understand the grief with the Eagles, but any team that makes the Super Bowl or wins a pennant is not a failure by any means.

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This is true but they aren't a Champion either and thats the entire point of playing the game other than making a living.

Believe me Zack, it does sicken me every time I think about it. I can't help but think about McNabb ralphing in the huddle when I think of Super Bowl XXXIX. But to say that you'd just rather not have them make it to the Super Bowl is like going to see your favorite band and being disappointed with the show. I would still rather have experienced the "bad" show than not even go to the show. I don't know if that analogy works, but I couldn't think of another one.

How do you think players feel when they hear their fans say that they would rather have them not make the big dance. It's kind of like...well, why should we even try then.

And by the way, those fans that keep bringing up that final drive need to "LET IT GO!!!". I've gotta listen to a little more WIP. It sounds like fans in Philly are even more meatballish than here in Chicago.

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I never said they were. But if the Cubs made the WS and lost to the Rays last year, that '08 season is not a failure. In fact, considering what they Sox had to go thru, and the horrible 2007 season they were coming off, 2008 was not a failure for the White Sox.

The 2006 Bears are not a failure. Actually, the 2007 Patriots are not a total failure either. If you win the conference/pennant in your respective sport, thats quite an accomplishment.

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Unfortunately, at this point it's been built up so much that I really don't want to see the Cubs make a WS if they don't win. They would have to win for the season to be a success, IMO. I wouldn't even want to imagine that heartbreak. I really can't believe I'm saying that, but it's how I feel...

Well I see your point and agree there are different levels of success and moral victories and such but in the end there is only one goal at the start of every professional sports league season and that is to be the Champion of said league. Weather you believe it or not anything less is actually a failure. Unfortunately this city has become so complacent with loosing that just making the playoffs is a huge ordeal. This is the same as the "everyone gets a trophy" mentality of todays society. You think the City of New York considers every playoffs the Yankees have been in since 2000 a success??? Hell no. Why? Because they expect to win every damn year. Here in Chicago we don't.

The 2001 Yankees are not a failure, every season after that is.

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Making the playoffs? Not a big deal.
Making a trade that may result in playoff success? The greatest thing to happen to Chicago in over 25 years!

Right?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Making the playoffs and loosing not a big deal.
Making a trade that enhances the teams chances of actually winning a super bowl big deal.

They lost to the D-Backs, correct?? Thats a failure. Look anything less than winning the Championship is a failure. Now you can go on and on about moral victories and "oh lets be happy they made the playoffs" and all that jazz but in the end what does that get you?

I feel sorry for you if trading for Jay Cutler is the best thing you've enjoyed about being a Bears fan since 1985.

I'll leave it at that.

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They didn't just make the playoffs you dumbshit. They won the pennant. As I said, the ultimate goal is to win the title, but if you win the pennant or make it to the Super Bowl, not a failure.

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In the end I get an enjoyable season that didn't end the way I would have hoped. I don't buy this "if you don't win it all it's a failure" bullshit. If you can't enjoy sports unless your team wins a championship there's something fundamentally wrong with the way you view sports. The 91-92 Blackhawks are one of my favorite sports memories. They didn't win the Cup, but night in and night out they were the most entertaining thing going. Hell I enjoyed the 2003 season as a Cubs fan. Was it a monumental disaster at the end? Sure, but I follow sports for enjoyment, not to be some drama whore that gets pissed every year my team doesn't win it all.

There have not been many good times since 1985. The 3 or so years after were okay because they had good chances and were good teams. This trade for Cutler has made me the most optimistic I've been about them, especially their offense, in a long time.

Getting to the Superbowl and losing is failure. The McCaskey family running things to be mediocre is failure.

If that is your criteria, then the odds are that you will eventually find the Jay Cutler era to be a failure especially if it is only a 3 year journey.

It is interesting that winning a Super Bowl wouldn't be the only way I would judge this trade but you would.

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