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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:21 pm 
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baseloaded top 9 no outs nice job bobby....

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 Post subject: Re: rays/soxs
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I am sick of this fat fuck making every game a nailbiter.
Richard pitched his ASS off tonight and Jenks is blowing it.

Get this fucker outta here, he's a shell (a fat one) of his former self.

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 Post subject: Re: rays/soxs
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The Sox have no seventh inning reliever and now a shaky if best closer.

Eat a fucking carrot Jenks!

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Bobby Jenks simply didn't have it tonight, and is currently on the receiving end of what may be a heartbreaking loss to the Rays.


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its over....


thortan should be the closer and trade bobby for a young cf

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thortan should be the closer and trade bobby for a young cf

Kujoe, Bobby's been pitching literally on a tightrope since the All-Star break. Tonight's blown save and loss were bound to happen for #45. If the White Sox are in a save situation tomorrow night, Matt Thornton's got to be the closer after Jenks went in back-to-back games of this series. This one hurt, and not what my dad was hoping for...It's his birthday, and he's a big White Sox fan.


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Bobby Jenks simply didn't have it tonight, and is currently on the receiving end of what may be a heartbreaking loss to the Rays.


This fat fuck hasn't had a 1-2-3 inning since before the All Star Break.
Any package a team wants from us should include Jenks. He's garbage.

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You want that fraud on the North Side, Kevin Gregg, instead? Be careful what you wish for...


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Was at the game today and witnessed great pitching performances from both sides. Richard and that 6'9 guy deserve the credit.

If I were Ozzie (and yes, I'm driving while my ass is in the backseat), I would have let Dotel/Thornton/Pena start the 9th inning ONLY because of Bobby's high pitch count from yesterday.

And if the Sox would have lost with the others instead of Jenk, I'd be bitching about that!

Don't know what the attendance was (either getting a beer or taking a piss or both), but there were a lot of empty seats. Both bleachers were about 60% filled from my eye of view.


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Pena!?

His ERA is almost as high as the attendance tonight.

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I wonder if he's hitting a dead arm period or something - his FB is back in the 92-93 range after topping out in the 97 range a few weeks ago. I agree with the above that I questioned going to him last night after his 28 pitch outing Monday, but he is the closer.


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SHARK wrote:
Kujoe, Bobby's been pitching literally on a tightrope since the All-Star break.

No.


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Pena!?

His ERA is almost as high as the attendance tonight.

So you are saying he should be an All-Star, Mr. Franklin?

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Calm down. The Sox will need Jenks if they are to win this division.

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good dolphin wrote:
Calm down. The Sox will need Jenks if they are to win this division.


Exactly. He's simply going through a bad stretch, which most closers do.

I'm confident that he will right himself.


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 Post subject: Re: rays/soxs
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good dolphin wrote:
Calm down. The Sox will need Jenks if they are to win this division.

Seriously...Ive heard him called fat ass fuck...loser...people wanting to trade him...FUCKN RELAX

He's good. He may be going thru a rough patch. But he's good.


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The only thing that scares me is that he is getting himself into trouble from walks and being 2-0, 2-1 in counts. Closers are going to have bad games from time to time, but Jenks has had trouble with the strikezone his last 4 or 5 outings.

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 Post subject: Re: rays/soxs
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
The only thing that scares me is that he is getting himself into trouble from walks and being 2-0, 2-1 in counts. Closers are going to have bad games from time to time, but Jenks has had trouble with the strikezone his last 4 or 5 outings.

Believe Marion Rivera went thru a similiar slump at the start of 05...

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
The only thing that scares me is that he is getting himself into trouble from walks and being 2-0, 2-1 in counts. Closers are going to have bad games from time to time, but Jenks has had trouble with the strikezone his last 4 or 5 outings.

Believe Marion Rivera went thru a similiar slump at the start of 05...

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First off, Mariano Rivera and Bobby Jenks should not be mentioned in the same sentence. This position is not one where he can "work through it". A starting pitcher can work through a control issue because he has 5 -7 innings as a cushion, providing the defense and offense are picking him up.

The closer position requires precision and the ability to instantly correct an issue. Jenks is out of shape, does not have the velocity he once did and now struggles with his confidence, from what was said on M & H this morning. IMHO, the Sox need to groom the next closer now because I don't believe Jenks has a long shelf-life. Maybe Poreda or another rookie can be groomed presently to help out when needed. A closer without confidence and control is a dead man walking. If Jenks fails, the Sox will too.

I am very concerned with Jenks along with the rest of the Sox bullpen.

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I think Bobby Jenks will snap out of his post All-Star funk soon enough, but tonight, I've got to think Matt Thornton is the closer if the White Sox are in a save situation vs. the Rays. I thought Jenks was in trouble as soon as Jason Bartlett led off the top 9th with a single and the control wasn't there. Meanwhile, I've also got to think that Ozzie pinch runs for Carlos Quentin in the 7th or 8th inning for the forseeable future if he gets on base. Had the much-maligned Dewayne Wise ran for CQ in the bottom 7th last night, he might have scored a clutch insurance run and the Sox would have had a little more wiggle room...I think we saw a little proof positive that CQ isn't all the way back by stopping at third...


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I think Bobby Jenks will snap out of his post All-Star funk soon enough, but tonight, I've got to think Matt Thornton is the closer if the White Sox are in a save situation vs. the Rays. I thought Jenks was in trouble as soon as Jason Bartlett led off the top 9th with a single and the control wasn't there. Meanwhile, I've also got to think that Ozzie pinch runs for Carlos Quentin in the 7th or 8th inning for the forseeable future if he gets on base. Had the much-maligned Dewayne Wise ran for CQ in the bottom 7th last night, he might have scored a clutch insurance run and the Sox would have had a little more wiggle room...I think we saw a little proof positive that CQ isn't all the way back by stopping at third...


Not because of a demotion though, it would be because Jenks has thrown a lot of pitches in consecutive days.


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 Post subject: Re: rays/soxs
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have a feeling the rays run wild toinight against the rookie call up and its gonna be one ugly loss after the bs that happened last night.

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Poreda is back in Charlotte.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
The only thing that scares me is that he is getting himself into trouble from walks and being 2-0, 2-1 in counts. Closers are going to have bad games from time to time, but Jenks has had trouble with the strikezone his last 4 or 5 outings.

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First off, Mariano Rivera and Bobby Jenks should not be mentioned in the same sentence.

Why? Because Marino has a way better career? No its an apt comparison. Both formerly dominant closers going thru a rough spot. Both fanbases ready to prounounce the closer "done"

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[This position is not one where he can "work through it". A starting pitcher can work through a control issue because he has 5 -7 innings as a cushion, providing the defense and offense are picking him up.

You can work thru it... Closers have had slumps before. I believe the last pitcher to throw a pitch in the 08 W.S. is a prime example. Of course you cant work thru it in one game...but you can get out of a slump, which is what it is.
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[I don't believe Jenks has a long shelf-life.

I agree with that. Few closers do.


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Why? Because Marino has a way better career? No its an apt comparison. Both formerly dominant closers going thru a rough spot. Both fanbases ready to prounounce the closer "done"

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[This position is not one where he can "work through it". A starting pitcher can work through a control issue because he has 5 -7 innings as a cushion, providing the defense and offense are picking him up.

You can work thru it... Closers have had slumps before. I believe the last pitcher to throw a pitch in the 08 W.S. is a prime example. Of course you cant work thru it in one game...but you can get out of a slump, which is what it is.
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[I don't believe Jenks has a long shelf-life.

I agree with that. Few closers do.[/quote]

I accept your assessment, but I believe people were pronouncing Mariano done because of his long career. I think others are pronouncing Jenks done because he has struggled for the last two years with a loss in velocity and number of strikeouts beginning in '08 and his career is relatively short in comparison.
I think I'm getting too quote-y.

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Country Bumpkin wrote:
I think I'm getting too quote-y.

Agreed. We both are.


I just think back to all the closers who were supposedly "done" over the years. Its understandable that fans are quick to dismiss because the importance of the position...but not always accurate.


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Poreda is back in Charlotte.

Frank, had the White Sox stretched out Aaron Poreda's arm more, he would've been spot starting this game tonight instead of Carlos Torres. Poreda's gotten as much use as the Maytag Repairman since his own call-up, and I'm not surprised that Aaron got demoted right after the heartbreaking loss to the Rays last night.


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With a guy making his major league pitching debut you expect this to be a loss. Sox are gonna have to put up 8 or 9 runs tonight to steal the win.


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Torres is lucky to not be down 2 or 3 -0 already. He needs to throw strikes.


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