19th in the league according to Fox Sports




http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9735 ... ?gt1=39002

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Obviously that writer does not know the greatness that is Caleb Hanie.

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if its any consolation, denver is ranked last.

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Hanie = Micah Hoff.


I'm still perplexed at anyone who thinks Hanie is a better option than Grossman. Once Grossman knew he wasn't going to get a starting position, he was the perfect option for the Bears. The fact that Basanez is even being mentioned is downright silly.

So, am I to understand Grossman would have signed for Hanie money? Let us not forget salary-cap considerations. That makes the marginal value of Hanie > Grossman.

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The Bears are ranked in the lower half of the league by Fox Sports because they have unknown backup QB's, and their starter hasn't overcome a god awful defense.

Sounds reasonable.

How is Tom Brady ranked #6?

How is Tony Romo ranked #3?

How is Peyton Manning ranked #7?

Jay Cutler is better than Flacco, Cassel, Pennington, Schaub, Edwards, Ryan, Palmer, and Delhomme.

He's in league with several of the others who are ranked higher.

This writer is an idiot.

Case closed.

This article ranks the best QB packages, meaning your entire roster of QB's. I think the list isn't perfect, but I think Bears fit in at just about the right spot. If anything, the Bears should be ranked lower on the list. They have 2 backups that haven't even played a down in the regular season. If Cutler goes down for this team, the season will be a disaster.

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Romo is the most overrated quarterback in the NFL currently.

Grossman signed for $620k for 1 year. As for Hanie, he signed a three-year, $1.155 million contract.


Either way... the Bears have A LOT of money to play with this year. And spending some on backing up the most important position in sports makes sense to me. Especially considering how many Chicago Bears backup QBs have played in my lifetime.

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Well I'll be damned. Shows what I know.

Is Hanie's $1.155 deal an aggregate or per-annum? Even if it's the latter, I still think it's better because at least he hasn't proved to be a nincompoop on the field. As long as he can tie his shoes, I'll go with the unknown vs the known (and known to be 'ick').

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I haven't seen you play QB either. I'm not paying you $5 to do it just because Rex Grossman is bad though.

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Wonderful retort, dope.

Might I add, nobody gives a shit what you would pay for what anyway; it has nothing to do with the point in question ... you know - doing the same thing, expecting different results, etc.

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I wouldn't pay you $5 if I were a GM. I wouldn't let your sorry ass count as 15 cents against the salary cap just because you could be cheap and shitty. Is that better? There are degrees of difference, even in the realm of bad, and marginal improvements require marginally higher expenditures. Dope.

And I suppose that's one definition of idiocy. Another is doing something stupid and expecting good results. There's no improvement in itself in watching someone new be shitty as opposed to watching someone old be shitty. Your mileage may vary. You may get a kick at watching new, all-different football players fuck up on the field, just so that you can say to yourself, "ah yes, now we know that Caleb Hanie truly does suck". But I don't particularly care about your idiosyncratic jollies. I'd rather have someone marginally less bad than someone more bad. I'd imagine that all GMs would agree.

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But his girlfriend is the sexy Freddy Kruger.

btw - is that a Starter hat Romo is wearing??? You can take the boy out of Cheeseland, but you can't take the Cheeseland out of the boy.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but what makes Tony Romo worse than Jay Cutler?

Cutler put up great yardage numbers, but there is more to the position than yardage.

I'd personally put Cutler and Romo on the same tier. They are on the second tier of NFL QB's with probably 5 others. The top tier consists of Brady, Manning, and Brees.

Tony Romo gets a bad rap because he ends up in the gossip magazines but he's still better than a large majority of NFL QB's.

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I think "physical tools" wise, Cutler has much more than Romo. Romo has great feet and a knack for getting the ball in the right place, but Cutler has great feet, the knack for getting the ball in the right place and (according to scouts) the second strongest arm in the NFL (behind JaMarcus Russell).

It's this arm strength that really seperates him from Romo - and it's also what makes him such a great fit for the windy Nov/Dec games in Chicago.

Why does that make him a better QB though? If you compared "physical tools" between Cutler and Peyton Manning you would likely give the nod to Cutler.

I think the fact that the strongest arm in the league is supposedly Jamarcus Russell goes to show how that is not a major determining factor as to how good a QB is as long as you have a good one.

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That wasn't my point - my point was that he is equal to Romo in every category (mobility, smarts, leadership) and exceeds him greatly in arm strength. That makes him a better quarterback. It's probably worth mentioning that, at least this season, Romo has a better receiving corps around him than Cutler.

Comparing Cutler to Manning and Brady, Cutler is not Manning/Brady's equal in smarts or leadership, but probably has both of them in mobility and arm strength - and because of that they (Manning/Brady) are the better QB.

I think I just combined Manning and Brady into some kind of uber-QB.

romo is aspiring to be the next mcnabb.

On the Sunday morning ESPN show Schlereth called Aaron Rodgers FAR AND AWAY the best QB in the division.

A little biased there Bronco boy?

bitter grapes!!1

Sounds about right.

Rick - Brees is not on Brady or Manning's level.

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Come on now FF, I get that you are a Packer lover, but even you cannot say that Rodgers is FAR AND AWAY the best in the division?

The guy has had one strong year, what else has he done? I think Cutler and Rodgers are pretty close and to say either one is far and away the best is just silly.

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Well, he hasn't done it for as long and he doesn't have a ring, but he was better than both of them last year.

Put him on the second level then with Warner.

Rodgers would still not be on that level.

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Brees is probably on that 2nd tier with Warner and Rivers. I think Rodgers is there too, I dont blame you for disagreeing.

RFDC - I was half kidding. He's not WAY better than Cutler but I do think he is better. Of course he's only done it for one year, thats all he's been given. And that was a great year.

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Glad to hear that FF, I have always considered you an objective fan.

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