This is accurate. Also, Tommy Harris deserves a lot of credit for this. He was getting a lot of push inside all day yesterday.

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Scorehead,

Let me go at this from a different angle.

Tell me exactly what you saw from the linebackers yesterday, outside of Briggs play and Roach's sack, that you thought indicated that the linebackers had a good game?

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Charlie: Oh shit. Look at that door dude. See that door right there? That door marked 'Pirate'? You think a pirate lives in there?
Dennis: I see a door marked 'Private.'

I am immature

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yeah as soon as I typed it, I thought it sounded bad. Fuck it, I'm going to leave it up just as is.

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Charlie: Oh shit. Look at that door dude. See that door right there? That door marked 'Pirate'? You think a pirate lives in there?
Dennis: I see a door marked 'Private.'

They are missing a good 3-technique defensive tackle, a good safeties, and cbs. Tillman has been doing okay but not near what he was.

Yeah that 38 they put up last night was pedestrian.

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They have a real running back now.

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Odd timing for this thread after a rookie QB almost throws for 300 yards on them and Seneca Wallace puts up nearly 250.

Let me put it in perspective, you hope Nick Roach makes the plays you expect Urlacher to make

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And that's why GD's name is at the top of any list that includes this sites best posters.

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Charlie: Oh shit. Look at that door dude. See that door right there? That door marked 'Pirate'? You think a pirate lives in there?
Dennis: I see a door marked 'Private.'

Stats say the LB crew is credited with 57 tackles out of 199 total tackles for the year. I think that's pretty good. I like this LB crew because Roach and Williams look like they can run & tackle. Hopefully,that Hawaiian guy is ready to go with the bye coming up. Bears still might need some depth there.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

That stat is totally dependent on where those tackles took place at too JP. Personally I would love to see a larger percentage of the tackles coming from the D line, but I of course know that's not a reality.

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Charlie: Oh shit. Look at that door dude. See that door right there? That door marked 'Pirate'? You think a pirate lives in there?
Dennis: I see a door marked 'Private.'

Williams has done nothing in his 1.5 weeks of starting and Tinoisamoa is tinoiSAMOAN.

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The reason so many people distrust football statistics is that there are a lot of useless ones. Tackles is one of those useless statistics.

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Briggs is an elite player...Urlacher is not. Losing Briggs would negativly impact the Defense much more than losing Urlacher.
Again, I have always been a fan of #54 & I am happy that the Bears are 3-1 without him after many fans were predicting gloom & doom. Remember all the Meatball posts here..."The Bears are finished" blah blah blah. Good for Bears. Lets hope they can keep it up!

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I did not say that Roach had a great game. I said that he had a good game. He made some plays & he seemed to be in position on most plays. I think the Bears D is better of with Roach at Middle Linebacker that Hunter H.

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We'd be saying the same stuff if Briggs was out for the year and Urlacher not. "Man, things aren't as bad as I thought they would be", even though a lot of small differences creep in all the time (and sometimes the differences aren't so small, as with the ability to tackle Julius Jones on screen passes). My point is that when you have an overabundance of LB talent, relatively speaking, each additional piece provides less marginal benefit, so when you lose one piece but have another, it's not as noticeable. But the defense is significantly weaker now that it was in game one, and I dare say that poor LB play is going to cost the Bears a game they shouldn't lose, either to a team with good TE play, or a team that can stretch the defense to the outside on the ground. Unfortunately, Atlanta in two weeks might be that team.

Roach did not have a good game.

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THIS

I still haven't seen or heard the grades for the linebackers from yesterday, but this is good enough for me.

I'm not saying that Roach isn't capable of holding down the job - but it's a huge leap to go from Urlacher to Roach and say that the Bears do not miss Urlacher in the middle because of Roach.

The comments about Urlacher not be HOF worthy; I'm not even going to touch.

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Charlie: Oh shit. Look at that door dude. See that door right there? That door marked 'Pirate'? You think a pirate lives in there?
Dennis: I see a door marked 'Private.'

Urlacher only had one year over 100 solo tackes and that was in 02 where he had Traylor and Washington allowing him to run free. I would not put him in the upper echelon of the top linebackers. That group of linebackers can shed the blockers and still make the play. He was above average and I'd rather have him than not have him but he wasn't as good as the National media blew him up to be.

Who are you? this guy?

"Sacks don't matter"

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Tackles are an incredibly flawed statistic for three reasons. First, the NFL is lazy about collecting it. Second, it is entirely context-dependent, so you have no idea of whether you are measuring something important or not (it would be like if we knew how many passes a QB completed without knowing how many he threw, or how many yards those passes went for). Third, it is scheme-dependent; the Bears scheme does not allow for the MLB to make as many tackles as the WLB. That has been true since Lovie took over, and remains true even with the smei-abandonment of the Tampa 2.

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Thank you again IB for providing sanity to this thread.

Now will you please address the people that feel that Urlacher's career and contributions to the Bears are not HOF worthy?

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Charlie: Oh shit. Look at that door dude. See that door right there? That door marked 'Pirate'? You think a pirate lives in there?
Dennis: I see a door marked 'Private.'

DD, get off your knees. You are embarassing yourself.

Irish, every stat can be interpreted any way you like. But it is still a stat. Scheme or no scheme takles matter. And every middle linebacker needs to be on the ball every possible play. They are the field general who is supposed to be able to read the defense and be able read where the play is supposed to be. Ray Lewis was phoenomenal at this.

Why? Because I defer to those who clearly have a better stated knowledge of the Bears defensive schemes instead of blindly saying "The Bears are playing pretty good without that Urlacher guy".

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Charlie: Oh shit. Look at that door dude. See that door right there? That door marked 'Pirate'? You think a pirate lives in there?
Dennis: I see a door marked 'Private.'

I heard the same argument when the Bears let Bobby Engram go to free agency.
He caught 90-something balls because it was the scheme/system. Yeah,the scheme
is still waiting for the next guy to be as consistent.

I do agree the system helps,but you still need the players!

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

It is amazing to me how people undervalue Urlacher.

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Who?

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Unfortunately, it doesn't surprise me RFDC. I would really be a pariah if I told everyone that I thought Urlacher was more valuable to this Bears defense than Singletary was at any time during his career.

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Charlie: Oh shit. Look at that door dude. See that door right there? That door marked 'Pirate'? You think a pirate lives in there?
Dennis: I see a door marked 'Private.'

Mike was the better tackler but Urlacher does everything else better.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Yet Singletary is a HOF'r and Urlacher's career doesn't begin to approach it according to some people.

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Charlie: Oh shit. Look at that door dude. See that door right there? That door marked 'Pirate'? You think a pirate lives in there?
Dennis: I see a door marked 'Private.'

Stop it with that logic DD. No need for it around here

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