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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:00 am 
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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162 game averages

Pujols
HR RBI BA OPB SLG OPS
42 129 .334 .427 .628 1.055

Thomas
36 119 .301 .419 .555 .974

They're both great. But, as Suckers quoted, from '91 to '97, Frank Thomas had one of the best runs in the history of baseball. Pujols can't say that he garnered all of the following in at least 6 consecutive years: at least 20 HRs, .300 avg, and 100 RBI/R/BB.

Pujols has the HRs avg RBI and Runs. He's short on the walks but he also has way more RBI and Home runs than Thomas had in that 6 year stretch.

Dont get me wrong Thomas was an amazing hitter.

Pujols is better.

Neither of them is above suspicion


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First 9 years of career 162 games averages
Pujols
.334 AVG 42 HR 129 RBI .427 OBP .628 SLG 1.055 OPS

Thomas
.319 AVG 36 HR 125 RBI .442 OBP .575 SLG 1.017 OPS


Thomas over the 7 year stretch of 91-97 162 games averages
.330 AVG 40 HR 131 RBI .455 OBP .604 SLG 1.059 OPS

Only a moron wouldn't think this guy is a first ballot HOFer


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:01 am 
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Pujols is better.

Neither of them is above suspicion

Thomas is MUCH more so than Pujols.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:04 am 
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WestmontMike wrote:
First 9 years of career 162 games averages
Pujols
.334 AVG 42 HR 129 RBI .427 OBP .628 SLG 1.055 OPS


Thomas
.319 AVG 36 HR 125 RBI .442 OBP .575 SLG 1.017 OPS


Thomas over the 7 year stretch of 91-97 162 games averages
.330 AVG 40 HR 131 RBI .455 OBP .604 SLG 1.059 OPS


Only a moron wouldn't think this guy is a first ballot HOFer

So Thomas' amazing 7 year run is slightly < Albert Pujols entire career


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:06 am 
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Pujols is better.

Neither of them is above suspicion

Thomas is MUCH more so than Pujols.

Not really. Pujols has always been in favor of testing.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:08 am 
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Yes really.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:09 am 
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What an amazing career!!

F. Thomas was the best hitter I've seen in my lifetime and I'm not sure we will ever see the unique combo of his size, power, contact and remarkable plate discipline ever again.

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Yes really.

Well I guess that settles it.


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Wow, I actually agree with Linda on something.

Hell must be freezing over.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:14 am 
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rogers park bryan wrote:
WestmontMike wrote:
First 9 years of career 162 games averages
Pujols
.334 AVG 42 HR 129 RBI .427 OBP .628 SLG 1.055 OPS


Thomas
.319 AVG 36 HR 125 RBI .442 OBP .575 SLG 1.017 OPS


Thomas over the 7 year stretch of 91-97 162 games averages
.330 AVG 40 HR 131 RBI .455 OBP .604 SLG 1.059 OPS


Only a moron wouldn't think this guy is a first ballot HOFer

So Thomas' amazing 7 year run is slightly < Albert Pujols entire career


How do you figure that? There's 6 stats... Thomas is better in 3, Pujols is better is 3... and the difference in each stat is basically nothing.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:31 am 
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Youre right, in my rush to post, I misread the numbers.

Ok,so at his Peak, Thomas was = Pujols all the time.

Is that better?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:32 am 
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Wouldn't it be more fair to say at their peaks both were pretty damn close?

The only other fair thing to do is to wait until Pujols has retired and look at both of their overall numbers.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:39 am 
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Ironic there, Roger. You're generally one of the first ones to jump on me saying "your Cubs hate is hilarious," and I'm certain the only reason you are wanting to put Pujols ahead of Thomas is to get a rise out of Sox fans.

They're both among the best hitters ever, and both should be first ballot HOF'ers. But you're wrong if you think that Thomas is not further away from steriod use than Pujols is.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:56 am 
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Ironic there, Roger. You're generally one of the first ones to jump on me saying "your Cubs hate is hilarious," and I'm certain the only reason you are wanting to put Pujols ahead of Thomas is to get a rise out of Sox fans.

I dont deny trying to rile up Sox Fans sometimes.
I honestly believe Pujols is better.
The only team I truly hate is the Cardinals, but the guy is ridiculous.
The thing that puts him ahead of pretty much everyone, is he started doing it the second he got in the big leagues and hasnt stopped.

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They're both among the best hitters ever, and both should be first ballot HOF'ers. But you're wrong if you think that Thomas is not further away from steriod use than Pujols is.

What does that even mean?

They either did or didnt. You can have a gut feeling but thats all it is.

Both are muscular, both hit a ton.

That is the evidence.


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obviously pujols looks like he'll have a better career. they hit about the same, but pujols is a good fielder.

however, i await the HGH test.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
he started doing it the second he got in the big leagues and hasnt stopped.



Actually the same is true of Frank. IIRC he hit over .330 his first year.

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Apologist wrote:
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he started doing it the second he got in the big leagues and hasnt stopped.



Actually the same is true of Frank. IIRC he hit over .330 his first year.

frank stopped.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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he started doing it the second he got in the big leagues and hasnt stopped.



Actually the same is true of Frank. IIRC he hit over .330 his first year.

frank stopped.


So will Albert.


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Judging just by his on field performance ,he was darn good! :wink:

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mel junior wrote:

So will Albert.

He's already done it longer.


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mel junior wrote:
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Actually the same is true of Frank. IIRC he hit over .330 his first year.

frank stopped.


So will Albert.


I doubt it. We'll see if his career follows historical norms or steroid norms.

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August 29 vs Yankees will be Frank Thomas Day, will have his number retired


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:25 pm 
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Of course thats a "prime" ticket day.

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:lol: :lol: Sox retire number of HOF player, Sox fans complain about price of ticket. :lol: :lol:

August 30 is "Commemorate Mark Buehrle's six-hit, two run game against the Orioles in April" day.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:28 pm 
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Yet another :roll:

When bigfan starts a thread about Frank Thomas day being a "prime" ticket date in a few weeks, you will be nowhere to be found.

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the lack of steroids seals him as a first ballot hall of famer in my eyes


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Of course thats a "prime" ticket day.

whenever yankees, redsox come to town its always a prime ticket


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