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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 1:03 pm 
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How many of you feel that it is impossible for the Bears to finish with a better record than Minnesota....It's not as if Minnesota isn't without it's weaknesses/concerns. AP can't hang onto the football, the depth on the Vikings has been severely compromised, their OL is looking vulnerable, and their secondary is aging fast

I know what people will say on paper, but there's a reason that there are about 50-60% different playoff teams every year from the year before. Here are the playoff teams every year since 2000 and the percent turnover the following season:

2000: Saints, Rams, Ravens, Colts, Eagles, Bucs, Giants, Vikings, Raiders, Titans, Broncos, Dolphins
% Change: Baseline

2001: Jets, Raiders, 49ers, Rams, Eagles, Patriots, Packers, Steelers, Ravens, Dolphins, Bucs, Bears
% Change: 50%

2002: Giants, Browns, Steelers, Raiders, Titans, Bucs, Jets, Eagles, 49ers, Falcons, Packers, Colts
% Change: 42%

2003: Colts, Panthers, Packers, Chiefs, Patriots, Broncos, Titans, Seahawks, Eagles, Ravens, Cowboys, Rams
% Change: 66%

2004: Patriots, Colts, Broncos, Chargers, Rams, Eagles, Vikings, Seahawks, Jets, Falcons, Steelers, Packers
% Change: 42%

2005: Steelers, Colts, Seahawks, Panthers, Broncos, Redskins, Jaguars, Bengals, Bucs, Bears, Giants
% Change: 58%

2006: Cowboys, Saints, Giants, Eagles, Jets, Patriots, Bears, Colts, Seahawks, Chargers, Ravens, Chiefs
% Change: 66%

2007: Packers, Colts, Patriots, Giants, Chargers, Steelers, Jaguars, Seahawks, Redskins, Cowboys, Bucs, Titans
% Change: 50%

2008: Cardinals, Steelers, Colts, Chargers, Eagles, Falcons, Titans, Dolphins, Ravens, Vikings, Giants, Panthers
% Change: 58%

2009: Cardinals, Packers, Saints, Colts, Vikings, Jets, Cowboys, Chargers, Eagles, Bengals, Patriots, Ravens
% Change: 50%

So, since 2000, the percentage of teams that has been different than the preceding year has been:

50%, 42%, 66%, 42%, 58%, 66%, 50%, 58%, and 50%.

The average number of teams that are different than the previous year are:

54% or pretty much half. In every year, at a minimum, at least 5 teams were different. In some years, as many as 8 teams.

So, looking at 2009's results, let's start by stack ranking these teams based on rough 2010 finish (doesn't have to be exact):

1. Colts
2. Saints
3. Ravens
4. Jets
5. Patriots
6. Packers
7. Chargers
8. Vikings
9. Cowboys
10. Bengals
11. Eagles
12. Cardinals

That's a rough estimate.

Now, based on that, if half of the teams won't be returning for the playoffs, let's determine which 6 teams those are. It's not as simple as taking the bottom six because of the need for Division winners, etc. One at a time.

1. Colts - Possibly the best team in football right now with the Saints. Even if they take a dip, it is nearly impossible they fall out of the playoff picture if Manning is healthy. Especially in their division where they will be favored to win the Division again.
2. Saints - See the Colts. Nearly the same response.
3. Ravens - Vastly improved team with the addition of Anquan Boldin and a developing young QB with weapons. This high? Who knows, but they appear to be a playoff caliber definite and the frontrunner to win a battered division since Pittsburgh's offseason of Hell.
4. Jets - Eeked into the playoffs last year and just loaded their roster up with veteran leadership, quality rookies, some talented but undisciplined players, and put it all in the hands of a Coach known for ironing out the discipline wrinkles to make guys better. I think they are the East frontrunner and a Super Bowl contender unless Sanchez has major Sophomore Slump issues.
5. Patriots - These guys will battle the Jets all season, but as long as they have Brady/Moss/Welker/great OL, it is highly unlikely they miss the playoffs.
6. Packers - Built around Aaron Rodgers and a vastly improved Defense, even with Favre's return, they'll be my favorite to win the Division more than likely.
7. Chargers - Now we get into the have nots. The Chargers seem like they have to win the AFC West because only Denver could even contend and they don't seem to have the horses for it this year. So if they make it, who gets bumped from above? Somebody has to win the NFC North, and it probably isn't the Bears or Lions, so even if you swap Minnesota for Green Bay, one is a lock to return. Perhaps there is a freak injury and one of the locks loses a Franchise QB and doesn't make it. No idea. So pull the team you think is most likely out from the equation.
8. Vikings - Whether you have Minnesota or Green Bay, there likely isn't room for both unless you think the Jets are out and haven't removed them already. One of these teams seems unlikely to return from the North based on statistical probabilities that have held true for the past decade.
9. Cowboys - If there's a division that's poised for a new horse to emerge, it's the East. Dallas didn't really improve much unless you consider a very talented primadonna rookie WR improvement, while the Giants are ready to get back into the playoffs and Washington added McNabb. The Eagles are no push over either, so that Division is wide open.
10. Bengals - The Bengals just can't fit into this picture right now. They are not more likely to make it back than the teams above them and their Division probably puts them in a battle for 2nd place with Pittsburgh for a Wild Card in a tough AFC.
11. Eagles - Out. Division is too tough and it will likely take more than one season to replace McNabb.
12. Cardinals - Too much turnover at key positions and key player losses. They're going back to sub .500 this year.

That means that Arizona, Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Dallas, and one of the NFC North teams are my lock. For me, the lesser of the two is Minnesota. I need to come up with one more team unlikely to make the playoffs, so I have to go out on a limb. I'll say the Jets and that Sanchez has a Sophomore Slump, but that's a tough one.

That means the playoff picture is now:

AFC East - Patriots
AFC North - Ravens
AFC South - Colts
AFC West - Chargers

NFC East - Unknown
NFC North - Packers
NFC South - Saints
NFC West - Unknown

We need to pick two Division winners still to fill holes. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Washington wins the NFC East with a 10-6 record, mostly accomplished from going 4-2 in the Division. I think the McNabb pickup was the most impactful of the offseason. He's still a Franchise QB if he's healthy and they have a tendency to turn around Franchises. 9-7 might be enough to win in the East this year. And I'll also say that in the NFC West, the 49ers ground game and Defense win them a very weak Division with a similar record.

Now we're looking at:

AFC East - Patriots
AFC North - Ravens
AFC South - Colts
AFC West - Chargers

NFC East - Redskins
NFC North - Packers
NFC South - Saints
NFC West - 49ers

We need four Wild Cards and that group CANNOT include teams we're already bumped from the playoffs. In the NFC of potentials includes:

Giants (not Dallas since they were one of the won't returns)
Bears (not Minnesota since they were also one of the won't returns)
Panthers
Falcons

In the AFC, our wild card favorites are:

Texans
Dolphins (not the Jets since they are one of the won't returns)
Broncos
Steelers

In the AFC, I'm going with the Texans and the Dolphins. Both either seemed ready to breakout or made some key additions this offseason that could help them turn a corner.

In the NFC, here's the situation:

We had to remove Dallas and Minnesota because we could only return 6 playoff teams and they just didn't fit, so they won't be Wild Cards. The Giants added Pro Bowl S Antrel Rolle, which was a nice move this offseason. They will also likely get Pierre-Paul on the field early, but he could also be more of a physical freak project than most 1st Round picks. The Bears had one of the most impactful offseasons of any NFL club, basically rebuilding their Defense with the addition of Peppers and Harris in the Secondary from Carolina, Major Wright a likely rookie FS, and their starting LB group intact. They also brought in an explosive Offensive Coordinator and added some depth on Offense at RB and TE with solid players who fit the system. Their season will hinge on Cutler's ability to grasp Martz's Offense in a reasonable time frame. The Panthers have a solid Defense and running game, but major losses on Defense with an unproven QB could be their downfall this season. And the Falcons could be ready to take the next step.

It is coming down to the Giants, Falcons, and Bears for me at this point. Of course I'm a Bears fan, so I'm fitting them in there, so I'll leave the Giants out because of the way they disappeared at the end of last year down the stretch. The Falcons could re-emerge this season.

My preliminary playoffs based on the Rule of Halfs (eliminating half of last year's playoff teams and finding new ones) looks like this:

AFC

Byes:

Colts and Ravens

1st Round Matchups:

Dolphins at Patriots
Texans at Chargers

NFC

Byes:

Saints and Packers

1st Round Matchups:

Bears at Redskins
Falcons at 49ers

AFC Winner: Ravens (gut says Colts, but it does every year)
NFC Winner: Packers (since 2000, only 1 team out of the 20 that have played for the Super Bowl returned the following season to play in it again)

SB Winner: Ravens

This will probably change a dozen times, but that's the fun of it.

That is my logic for putting the Bears in the playoffs this year. While they may not be better than the Packers and Vikings on paper, statistically, half the teams that make the playoffs don't make it again the following year. That likely dumps the Vikings or the Packers off that list in 2010. I'm going with Minnesota and that opens the door for Chicago if Cutler can pick up this Offense and our Defense can stay fairly healthy.


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HOVA wrote:
Bears will make the playoffs


Just like they would go 13-3 last year?

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RFDC wrote:
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Just like they would go 13-3 last year?


Like they would make the SB in 2006.

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This is hard. I really see them as an 8-8 team.

BUT I love them. I think Martz (who I didn't want) is going to get some of the problems that the QB/WRs had last year fixed. The talent the Bears have will be used properly. I think Tice is going to be able to develop some of the offensive line and people will play in the correct spots. I'm hoping the defense will stop being a bunch of assholes and play. It will all come together and they will somehow be a playoff team.


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Unless they have a bunch of injuries to key players this team will win the division. I'm willing to wager on it. I'm really excited about how this team looks on paper even though they don't have what many of us would consider a #1 WR.

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the NFL has crazy shit happen every year where the non-sexy team becomes the sexy team toward the end of the year and makes the playoffs. could be a team like the niners; but to me the bears are a team that have a tough division to play in.

they're not the most talented or well coached; but they won some games they should've lost and i don't know how good the packers will be...but i'm pretty sure the vikings are going to be right in it.

the falcons will probably be a contender, too; i think philly will probably suck, and the redskins will be overrated. the cowboys will win that division because the giants are on a downward turn.

anyway, it's not even june yet.


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Let's see - Cutler will probably look more scrambled than last year.
Forte disappeared and Taylor will be injured/ineffective.
Wideouts confused by Martz' system.
The line still sucks.

5-11 or 6-10.


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This is hard. I really see them as an 8-8 team.

BUT I love them. I think Martz (who I didn't want) is going to get some of the problems that the QB/WRs had last year fixed. The talent the Bears have will be used properly. I think Tice is going to be able to develop some of the offensive line and people will play in the correct spots. I'm hoping the defense will stop being a bunch of assholes and play. It will all come together and they will somehow be a playoff team.


I'm with the chick on this one.

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Like Spaulding, I was against the Martz hire as I think it's important to run the ball and control the clock - but maybe I'm stuck in some 1980s meatball state of mind about football. All the really good teams are pass first nowadays and I think Martz is as good at the passing game as any mind in the NFL. If he can Jon Kitna an effective QB, I imagine that he can make Jay a star.

And, unlike his relationship with Turner, I think Jay respects Martz. And if that means he puts his faith in the system and doesn't go off the reservation - Jay could blow away his numbers from Denver.


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Personally, I don't think the Bears have a chance in making the playoffs, regardless of how well they play this season. While that sounds contradictory, my point is that there really is no way Chicago finishes above Green Bay or Minnesota.


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You heard it here first....Detroit is going to make the playoffs this year

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I think I'll take that action...


Thats how you end up with Coldplay as an avatar

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I think I'll take that action...


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You can get in on the bet too, Frajent. If Phil doesn't pussy out first... :D

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Dan Pompei is drinking Koolaid with his Bears analysis lately. He seems to think depth = quality. IMO, the only offensive position which would be ranked as above average going into the season is QB. The defense should be improved from terrible to middle of the pack, but they still have major holes and are counting on too many aging veterans coming back from injury to be expected to contend. Genius Martz will do for the offense what mastermind Marinelli did for the D-line last year...put me down for 6-10.

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The Bears have a brutal schedule in 2010. It's hard to find more than 6 wins here.
Peppers will be a huge waste of money that would have been better spent on 2 or 3 players to help the OL & WR positions. We sign a stud QB & give him crap to throw to & no protection in front of him. Makes no sense.

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Sun. Sept. 19 at Dallas, 1 p.m.
Mon. Sept. 27 Green Bay, 8:30 p.m.
Sun. Oct. 3 at N.Y. Giants, 8:20 p.m.
Sun. Oct. 10 at Carolina, 1 p.m.
Sun. Oct. 17 Seattle, 1 p.m.
Sun. Oct. 24 Washington, 1 p.m.
Sun. Oct. 31 BYE
Sun. Nov. 7 vs. Buffalo at Toronto, 1 p.m.
Sun. Nov. 14 Minnesota, 1 p.m.
Thurs. Nov. 18 at Miami, 8:20 p.m.
Sun. Nov. 28 Philadelphia, 1 p.m.
Sun. Dec. 5 at Detroit, 1 p.m.
Sun. Dec. 12 New England, 1 p.m.
Mon. Dec. 20 at Minnesota, 8:30 p.m.
Sun. Dec. 26 N.Y. Jets, 1 p.m.
Sun. Jan. 2 at Green Bay, 1 p.m.

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I'll take some of that action.

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I'll take some of that action.



You'll bet they won't win more than 6 games?

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I'll take some of that action.



You'll bet they won't win more than 6 games?


You'll bet they win at least 11?

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Schedules always look tough or easy until the season starts.

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