I agree with Nas. I think the second round picks pushed the Bears over the hump.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

I was more referring to Nas, Frank, and America saying Rodgers is breaking down. I was dumb enough to start a thread about that a couple years ago, so I understand being susceptible to a dumb, lazy storyline like that, I just found it funny that it was three of the first six or whatever posts in here.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

I was more referring to Nas, Frank, and America saying Rodgers is breaking down. I was dumb enough to start a thread about that a couple years ago, so I understand being susceptible to a dumb, lazy storyline like that, I just found it funny that it was three of the first six or whatever posts in here.

You agree with Nas that the Bears are winning the division?

You have been trashing this team from the draft on and now you wanna say you think they will win the division?

Terrible.

Their pass rushers suck. They are banking on a Wilkerson return-to-form because while Daniels is obviously a great player he's not great at getting to the QB. Other than that its still Nick Perry and Clay Matthews. They've got a really good defensive line and a probably average-to-above-average secondary. What that means to me is they have a defense that will not lose them games (like it did under Capers) but wont win them games either.

I am not anywhere near as high on the offense as you are. They've clearly improved their tight end position, nothing could be worse than what Bennett gave them last year, but they seem to have taken the approach of just throwing a bunch of WR's into camp and seeing what Rodgers can make out of them (this feeds my sentiment that this Packers team will go entirely as Rodgers goes). They have a good offensive line, wont say they are any better than that until/unless Bulaga shows he's fully recoevered from his injury.

It all depends what you think of Rodgers. If you Rodgers is still in his prime you think the Packers will be good. I can certainly tell you that they are not good enough to weather losing Rodgers for 5 or so weeks. They are also not good enough to overcome Rodgers losing a step. Like I said, the possibility that Rodgers goes supernova and blows out all our expectations for the Packers is out there...but as I compile a list of possible Rodgers outcomes and assigning them probability off what I've seen from Rodgers recently I feel pessimistic about the Packers chances.

Father Time is still undefeated despite Tom Brady putting up the best fight we've ever seen. I think Rodgers will take a step back. That'll still be more than enough to be the best QB in the division but I'm not sure if it'll be enough to dominate the division like he has. I have them finishing 3rd.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Hasn't the narrative been the last couple years that the Oline for the Packers was a problem? How have they become a great Oline now?

You agree with Nas that the Bears are winning the division?

You have been trashing this team from the draft on and now you wanna say you think they will win the division?

Terrible.

Hasn't the narrative been the last couple years that the Oline for the Packers was a problem? How have they become a great Oline now?

I have always been a believer in (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and I was overjoyed with their two main additions to the receiving corps this offseason. Miller and Robinson are going to bring a lot. Their offensive line is good. Good enough to not sabotage what (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is capable of.

That optimism combined with their running game and defense (I do believe they are slightly overrated on defense) plus their improved special teams...they'll be good. Maybe not beat-the-Vikings-for-the-division good, but I feel safe saying they are one of the stronger wild card contenders.

the left side of their offensive line is very good, their center is solidly a starter. their right side is anyone's guess this year.

I think (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has all the ingredients to be a really good QB and I believe that the Bears have surrounded him with the people to help him put it together. I expect for him to be really good this year. Especially in the 2nd half of the season.

Yeah I don't know where you are getting almost any of that from. Rodgers played in 54 out of 54 possible games between collar bone injuries, and collarbone injuries are not chronic like knee and back injuries are. He literally has shown zero evidence he is declining or breaking down. There's just nothing there to be pessimistic about.

You'll see by December how badly you are underestimating Adams star potential. He is awesome. Montgomery is perfectly suited for the new pass catching back position, and Jones and Williams are hammers and Jones has shown three down back skills. Add that to a great line and a top 2 QB and you have a great offense. I agree the defense overall should be middle of the pack and that should be good enough to get them to 11-12 wins.

I think the love for Minnesota is misguided as well. Cousins is nowhere near a top tier QB and routinely shits the bed in basically every big game he's ever played in. He's accrued some of the emptiest passing stats of anyone in the NFL not named Matt Stafford. I understand why Bear fans would be scared of the Vikings. As a GB fan I am decidedly not.

Rodgers has missed enough games over the past few seasons that I'm allowed to worry how his body is doing.

I think (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky will finish either 2nd or 1st in the NFCN in all major passing stats. Entirely depends on how Rodgers does.

Outside of the collarbone injury Rodgers hasn't missed a single game the last four seasons. Outside of two freak collarbone injuries he's been consistently healthy his entire career. This simply isn't a worry you're basing on anything factual. But yes, you're allowed to worry about anything.

Outside of the collarbone injury Rodgers hasn't missed a single game the last four seasons. Outside of two freak collarbone injuries he's been consistently healthy his entire career. This simply isn't a worry you're basing on anything factual. But yes, you're allowed to worry about anything.

It's certainly possible he takes the leap from 32nd best QB in the NFL to 24th or so. I'm not gonna rule it out.

"if you dont count all those games he's missed the last 4 years he hasnt missed a single game the last 4 years!"

I'm not buying it. His body is becoming worn out from the NFL. That may not be a verified medical condition but it is a dynamic everyone knows exists.

I can't imagine breaking the same collarbone twice is a positive. I imagine that makes increases the odds for another break. He's missed 16 games in 5 years.

Another way to say it is he's missed 18 games in 10 seasons and 16 of them were because of two isolated injuries.

Neither of us is a doctor but google is all you need to disprove your second sentence.

The belief was that it would be stronger after the first break. That didn't happen.

How do you know? Nobody said it would be unbreakable after the first surgery. It's simply not an injury that appears chronically, regardless of how many times you try to imply otherwise. Current medical professionals disagree with you so it's probably not something we need to keep debating.

It's ok to acknowledge you and America falsely assumed Rodgers had more injury history than he does.

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You don't think missing 16 games in 5 years is a lot for a QB?

I think there's just been a lot of drama around the Packers. The injury years and the R-E-L-A-X season, it builds an image in your mind that the Packers had some rabbits foot keeping them alive. All that felt like it dried up last year. They wont be as bad as the Lions. 7-9 against would be my honest guess.