they can't just bring back the same crew, can they? There have to be better practice squad players out there...I still think Bennett is the best reciever they have, and he barely sees the field.

HEY! Lay off Laettner!

they can't just bring back the same crew, can they? There have to be better practice squad players out there...I still think Bennett is the best reciever they have, and he barely sees the field.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

they can't just bring back the same crew, can they? .

Angelo. Year after year of bad drafting? Not fair. What are the NFL Draft success rates per round on average? I'd guess they look something like this:

1st round: 70%
2nd round: 50%
3rd round: 35%
4th round: 25%
5th round: 17%
6th round: 10%
7th round: 5%

Undrafted: 2%

If those are accurate, and I think they are pretty close, then if you take 7 draft picks as a whole, the average GM would have about a 30% overall success rate per draft. Reduce that figure to about 20-25% due to the fact that the average GM has multiple supplemental picks which tend to weight their overall draft to the later rounds (for instance, the Bears had five 7th round picks last year. With a 5% success rate, the odds were against them that any of them would make it in the NFL. On the whole, that means that the average NFL team should pull about 3 long term players per Draft (with supplemental picks, the average team has more than just 7 picks). The best teams would pull 4 consistently. An outstanding Draft would pull 5 players, which is still 50% or so failing. Bad Drafts would have 1-2 picks per Draft contribute.

Some like to judge by impact players, for example, saying over the past 5 years, the Bears have 4 "impact" players...Let's review the New England Patriots during the same time frame:

2008 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel #PlayerPositionSchool
1 10 Jerod Mayo OLB Tennessee
2 62 Terrence Wheatley CB Colorado
3 78 Shawn Crable OLB Michigan
3 94 Kevin O'Connell QB San Diego State
4 129 Jonathan Wilhite CB Auburn
5 153 Matt Slater WR UCLA
6 197 Bo Ruud LB Nebraska

In the 2008 Draft, they had 0 impact players. Mayo was a starter, but he had
0 sacks, 1 FF, and 0 INT's, which probably doesn't qualify him as an impact
guy, or you need to count Kevin Payne for the Bears. Other than Mayo, their
entire draft is garbage so far.

2007 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.)
4 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (Fla.)
5 171 Clint Oldenburg T Colorado State
6 180 Justin Rogers LB Southern Methodist
6 202 Mike Richardson DB Notre Dame
6 208 Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut State
6 209 Corey Hilliard OT Oklahoma State
7 211 Oscar Lua LB USC
7 247 Mike Elgin G Iowa

In 2007, Meriweather is an impact guy. He's a playmaker and a quality starter.
The rest of this draft is garbage.

2006 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
2 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida
3 86 David Thomas TE Texas
4 106 Garrett Mills RB Tulsa
4 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis
5 136 Ryan O'Callaghan T California
6 191 Jeremy Mincey LB Florida
6 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame
6 206 Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska
7 229 Willie Andrews CB Baylor

In 2006, the Patriots only impact guy is a 4th round Kicker. Maroney is yet
to have a season with over 900 yards or 7 TD's and is constantly injured. Chad
Jackson is a bust and the rest of this draft is garbage.

2005 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
3 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State
3 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo
4 133 James Sanders S AFFresno State
5 170 Ryan Claridge LB Nevada-Las Vegas
7 230 Matt Cassel QB USC
7 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn

Basically the Patriots best Draft of the group. Mankins and Kaczur are both
starters, Hobbs is a quality player, and Matt Cassel has proved his worth. Overall
a good group. That being said, nearly 40% of this Draft is garbage with guys like
James Sanders, Ryan Claridge, and Andy Stokes.

2004 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Vince Wilfork NT Miami (Fla.)
1 32 Benjamin Watson TE Georgia
2 63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State
3 95 Guss Scott S Florida
4 113 Dexter Reid S North Carolina
4 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas
5 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State
7 233 Christian Morton CB Illinois

Last Draft to be reviewed. Wilfork and Watson are good. The rest is garbage in this
group. Let's review their overall bust rate and then the number of quality players during
this time.

Bust Rate: Of the 41 players drafted, 9 guys panned out, one of which is a kicker and
another is a backup QB. That equates to an overall Draft bust rate of 78%. In other words,
about 22%, or 1/4 of the Patriots total draft picks actually pan out. I think we would all agree that
the Patriots front office is pretty solid. Are they just horrible drafters? No. This is the nature of the
NFL Draft.

Impact Players: They have four impact guys, one of which is a backup QB.

For the Bears, here are the guys drafted in the same timeframe that have started for the Chicago Bears for meaningful minutes:

I won't count Craig Krenzel or Cedric Benson, because starter or not, they were junk.

From there, you have Nathan Vasher, Bernard Berrian, Tank Johnson, Tommie Harris, Chris Harris, Kyle Orton, Mark Anderson, Dusty Dvoracek, Devin Hester, Danieal Manning, Trumaine McBride, Corey Graham, Kevin Payne, Josh Beekman, Greg Olsen, and Matt Forte. And we all know that Chris Williams will be a starter next year and was probably the starter this year barring injury.

Compare that to the Patriots Draft over the same period. I think when people say that Angelo cannot Draft, they don't really have a good understanding how the NFL Draft works or a realistic perspective of what a good Draft looks like.

I'm not sold on Orton. Why are you?

BTW your sausage was a little salty and didn't quite clear the bottom of the bowl. I have a voracious appetite, you got anything bigger?

Bob Babich and the entire defense was to blame for this season, with special teams getting an honorable mention. Both were to blame for losing the Atlanta game, which turns out to be the biggest loss of the season in terms of hindsight. Lovie deserves to be the head coach next season.

No, but it is my first experience with anyone who has suggested Angelo is an average or better-than-average drafter.

No, but it is my first experience with anyone who has suggested Angelo is an average or better-than-average drafter.

Ive heard from a number of Bears fans I know Tommie has dropped off. It doesnt seem like it in the couple games Ive watched, but you cant really tell anything about DT's unless you are watching all the games, stats dont speak alot for a position like that.

Okay BD - let's go back to 2002 with Bears picks:

From the 2008 draft, the belittled selected:

Rnd Name College
1 Chris Williams Vanderbilt
2 Matt Forte Tulane
3 Earl Bennett Vanderbilt
3 Marcus Harrison Arkansas
4 Craig Steltz Louisiana State
5 Zackary Bowman Nebraska
5 Kellen Davis Michigan State
7 Ervin Baldwin Michigan State
7 Chester Adams Georgia
7 Joey LaRocque Oregon State
7 Kirk Barton Ohio State
7 Marcus Monk Arkansas

Fealz' comments: Forte was a great pick - not so sure about the rest. We have to give this class a little longer.


2007
Rnd Name College Note
1 Greg Olsen Miami (Fla.)
2 Dan Bazuin Central Michigan
3 Garrett Wolfe Northern Illinois
3 Michael Okwo Stanford
4 Josh Beekman Boston College
5 Kevin Payne Louisiana-Monroe
5 Corey Graham New Hampshire
7 Trumaine McBride Mississippi
7 Aaron Brant Iowa State

Fealz' comments: Olsen shows signs of being a good tight end. Next four picks are wastes. Payne, Graham, McBride - that's the best we can do from this class?

2006
Rnd Name College Note
2 Danieal Manning Abilene Christian
2 Devin Hester Miami (FL)
3 Dusty Dvoracek Oklahoma
4 Jamar Williams Arizona State
5 Mark Anderson Alabama
6 J.D. Runnels Oklahoma
6 Tyler Reed Penn State

Fealz' comments: Manning's okay as a nickel, and showed some flashes as a returner. Hester - I think he's ruined (not sure it is his fault, however). Dvoracek is the defensive line version of Mike Brown, without the resume. Jamar Williams - what happened to him? Anderson dropped off the face of the earth, and Runnels and Reed? Bad class.

2005
Rnd Name College Note
1 Cedric Benson Texas
2 Mark Bradley Oklahoma
4 Kyle Orton Purdue
5 Airese Currie Clemson
6 Chris Harris Louisiana-Monroe
7 Rodriques Wilson South Carolina

Fealz' comments: Forget Benson? How can we? Bradley, Currie, and Wilson? Harris went on to better things elsewhere. Orton is still here - but hasn't shown much. Bad class.

2004
Rnd Name College Note
1 Tommie Harris Oklahoma
2 Terry Johnson Washington
3 Bernard Berrian Fresno State
4 Nathan Vasher Texas
4 Leon Joe Maryland
5 Claude Harriott Pittsburgh
5 Craig Krenzel Ohio State
7 Alfonso Marshall Miami (FL)

Fealz' comments: Tommie Harris - they handed him big money and he disappeared. We're all too familiar with Tank's problems. Berrian underperformed here. Vasher - looks like he's on his way out. Forget the last four picks. Bad class.

2003
Rnd Name College Note
1 Michael Haynes Penn State
1 Rex Grossman Florida
2 Charles Tillman Louisiana-Lafayette
3 Lance Briggs Arizona
4 Todd Johnson Florida
4 Ian Scott Florida
5 Bobby Wade Arizona
5 Justin Gage Missouri
5 Tron Lafavor Florida
6 Joe Odom Purdue
6 Brock Forsey Boise State
7 Bryan Anderson Pittsburgh

Fealz' comments: The first pick had a short career. The second one gave you six great games in six years. Tillman and Briggs were great picks. The rest, not so much. Best draft so far.

2002
Rnd Name College Note
1 Marc Colombo Boston College
3 Roosevelt Williams Tuskegee
3 Terrence Metcalf Mississippi
4 Alex Brown Florida
5 Bobby Gray Louisiana Tech
5 Bryan Knight Pittsburgh
6 Adrian Peterson Georgia Southern
6 Jamin Elliott Delaware
6 Bryan Fletcher UCLA

Fealz' comments: Oh, well...at least we picked up a lineman who is still with us and a special teamer.

I don't mind you bringing this up as a problem, but do you really think it is Mike Brown's fault that he gets hurt a lot? It is either the trainers' fault for not having him in better condition, or the coaches' fault for not having an adequate replacement ready (or the gods' fault for injuring him so often, but you best not pick a fight against the gods for this.)

Im pretty hammered right now.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

I'm going to go all "meatball" here but I would much rather see a defense that wants to shut down the offense completely, get them off the field, even if it means you give up the big play at times.

Maybe I've got it all wrong but that's what I see from this defense. The coaching mentality of "we'll be fine" bleeds through in all aspects of the team too. There's rarely a sense of urgency in any aspect of this team because "we'll get the turnovers" or "the defense will score" or "special teams will make it up", etc. That comes from the coach's mentality. I don't care if he yells or grabs a facemask and shakes it but I do care that the philosophy lacks the urgency of the moment and that is what I think the fans are craving, not the yelling so much (COAAATTCHHHH!!!).
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Also if you fuck someone like they are a millionaire they might go try to be one.